Thursday, July 24, 2025

The Final Days of Sabu in ECW

 




A few months ago I made a video on this channel about Sabu being fired from ECW, and his entire run in WCW that followed in 1995. What I didn’t know at the time, is that there was nearly a return on the cards years later. While reading an old Wrestling Observer for another video, I fell down yet another wrestling rabbit hole, and I learned a lot about how one of ECW's most memorable legends ended up leaving the company for the last time. I thought I’d make a sequel of sorts, and so this video is about what happened.




The story starts at ECW Guilty as Charged on January 9th 2000, where in one of the key matches of the night, Sabu would lose to Rob Van Dam near the end of his epic Television title reign. Earlier in the broadcast, Sabu’s manager Bill Alfonso claimed on the famously mute Sabu’s behalf, “I guarantee if Sabu doesn’t beat Rob Van Dam, he’ll grab his bags and walk out tonight.” As Sabu lost, many thought we had seen the last of him, but as Joel Gertner and Joey Styles explained on the following week’s TNN episode, it was never specified that he would leave the company, only that he would “walk out”, but walk out on who? Rob Van Dam certainly didn’t think this, telling us in a promo that Sabu shouldn’t have gambled his career against RVD, muddying the waters even more.




A week later on TNN, the lights would go out in the arena, and when they came back on, Sabu would appear in the ring. He was seemingly there to side with RVD against the World champion Mike Awesome. This wouldn’t be the case though, as he would turn on Van Dam, attacking him and even putting their shared manager Bill Alfonso through a table, walking out on their long and complicated friendship, I mean sort of friendship. We would later find out in the January 24th Wrestling Observer that the talk of Sabu walking out was a Paul Heyman suggestion, didn't intend for this to imply that Sabu was retiring, or even leaving ECW. This part smells of bullshit, as Paul was clearly being intentionally vague with the phrase “walk out”, trying to make the fans think that Sabu might be leaving. Unbeknownst to even Heyman at this point, Sabu soon would be leaving.




In the same issue, Dave Meltzer claims that Sabu hadn’t been happy with his role in ECW for quite some time. “Sabu, who is 36, is unhappy because it’s clear he can no longer be the star of the company and his role on PPVs is largely to put people over.” Interestingly, a few weeks before Dave wrote this, Wade Keller in the Pro Wrestling Torch noted that “At age 36, Sabu is the oldest wrestler in ECW. Awesome is near the top of the list at 34.” His record on pay per view wasn't too bad though. Despite Sabu recently losing to RVD, as well as Justin Credible and Taz in ‘99, he also beat Chris Candido, and was undefeated on pay per view in ‘98, apart from a draw with Van Dam. That's three losses and a draw in his last eight pay per views, but he still wasn’t in the main event position that he used to be in.




A few days later, ECW would suffer some bad news as two of it’s top babyfaces would go down with injuries. Jerry Lynn had hurt his ankle, and the TV champion Rob Van Dam would break his fibula, leading both to be away for roughly eight weeks. Surely not a great time to lose another top star, but Paul Heyman was about to. His original main event for the upcoming Living Dangerously pay per view was reported to be Sabu and Mike Awesome versus Van Dam and Masato Tanaka. Not that Paul knew it at the time, but he was soon to lose Awesome to WCW as well.




Sabu’s last appearances on ECW television would be on the January 28th TNN episode and the day after on Hardcore TV. On TNN he would attack RVD from behind, building to the Living Dangerously match Paul was aiming towards, but would never happen, and the night after he would defeat CW Anderson in the main event of the episode. During the match, he attacks Anderson’s manager Lou. E Dangerously, whose gimmick was that he impersonated Paul Heyman, and tried to put him through a table but CW moved him out of the way. I wonder what that could have meant. The last sight of Sabu on ECW television is him pinning Anderson after a ropey looking Triple Jump Moonsault where he appeared to low blow himself on CW’s knee. Much like the Lou E. bit, this too felt quite ironic. The week after these matches were taped, Sabu would wrestle Spike Dudley on a house show in St. Petersburg Florida. By this point Sabu may have had enough, or may have seen an opportunity to improve his position in ECW.




WCW




In a 2022 interview with James Romero, Sabu claims that around this time he was approached by Kevin Sullivan and JJ Dillon from WCW. He calls this a Secret meeting, and says about this, “my thinking was I was going to go to WCW, make a buttload of money, then go back to ECW and pick up where I left off. But when I went there somebody seen me and called Paul.” I’m sure this isn’t what he means, but the idea of him sneaking in a WCW run with Paul not noticing was hilarious to me. He later explains that he was meeting with WCW “underhandidly”, but says “my intention was to come back stronger than I was. I could come back with a bigger name and I could carry the company better.” This isn’t much of a spoiler, but Paul Heyman wouldn’t see it this way. The following week’s Observer has a lot more to say about Sabu potentially leaving ECW. A full story details how he had “agreed to a deal on 2/2 with WCW after talks between the two sides had been going on for at least several days, prompting threats of a lawsuit by Paul Heyman and ECW.” Paul was claiming that he had Sabu signed to a contract that lasted until January 2003, which may have been true, but as the Torch explains, “Sabu told WCW officials that ECW had breached his contract on several occasions, therefore, he considered himself a free agent.” Wade Keller goes on to explain the possible issue with Sabu’s belief of this, saying that if Sabu believed his contract had been breached, he was required to provide this in writing, and allow ECW ninety days to rectify the dispute. If more of Paul’s top talent had a similar rule in their contracts, this might explain in part at least, why so many wrestlers stayed with ECW while being owed growing amounts of money. That 90 day part feels like a way for Paul to buy himself some time in financial disputes, and to be clear that’s just me speculating and not anything I’ve read anywhere. It doesn’t sound from any source I’ve read like Sabu put his grievance in writing, and so Paul had him there.




In the same story Keller notes that “WCW wants Sabu to start on the Feb. 14 Nitro because they believe they can showcase him on a show which will be unopposed by Raw.” This edition of Raw was pre-empted by the Westminster Dog Show, and so would have allowed Nitro to air unopposed. Dave Meltzer goes on to note that they even had Sabu pencilled him in for a match at that week’s SuperBrawl pay per view against the Kiss Demon, but Paul Heyman began legal talks on the 7th that halted this. If you’re wondering, the Demon would have to settle for a match against the WALL BROTHER!!! “Heyman on 2/7 said that he was willing to sell his rights to Sabu’s contract to WCW since there is really is no upside to his returning to the company at this point. But he said he wouldn’t simply let him go without something in return, and if no settlement was made, threatened a temporary restraining order against both Brunk and WCW to keep him from appearing on the show as well as threatened a lawsuit and a complaint to the justice department over a contract tampering charge.”




On top of all of this, both newsletters note a part of Sabu’s personal life that may also have prevented him from debuting on Nitro when WCW wanted him to. “Sabu's mother, with whom he is especially close, suffered two heart attacks last week. Sabu has spent nearly every minute of his time by her side ever since and may not be mentally ready to wrestle.” The Torch would report a few weeks later that Sabu’s Mother would leave the hospital feeling better, but still with some health issues. On February 11th 2000 Rob Van Dam, who might have been feuding with Sabu on TV but was close with him in real life, would on a call with Slam Wrestling make some interesting comments about what Sabu’s priorities might actually have been. “I’ve talked to Sabu and honestly, he is going through some personal stuff at home right now with his mother being sick. His mother is not doing well right now. She’s in the hospital. And, when I talked to Sabu it’s really not even about business.” Later on when discussing the idea that Sabu leaving will hurt ECW, RVD says “It’s not going to do us in or anything like that. Right now, I don’t even think it’s the most important thing on his mind.” With these comments, Van Dam is implying that Sabu’s mother might well have been his incentive to make that buttload of money that I mentioned earlier, though in nothing I have read is this ever explicitly said.




A week later, it seems that Paul got his way, and Sabu would not be going to WCW afterall. “at this point it appears he won’t even be coming in and his future in the U.S. is temporarily in question. WCW was forced to drop all plans with him due to his contract with ECW, in particular the clause which calls for a filing both with Paul Heyman and with the court in Westchester County in any claim of a breach. WCW in a letter to Heyman said that they have no interest in buying out his contract.” The interesting part there is Dave claiming that Sabu’s future in the US is in doubt. This is because as he later notes, the whole situation seems to have soured Paul on Sabu, who he had fired once before in 1995. “Heyman had indicated to many that he wasn’t interested in using Brunk any longer, but with his own promotion devastated by injuries, that could change.”




Before I leave the subject of WCW, this whole story got me wondering what a Sabu return in 2000 might have looked like? It’s worth noting that the World Championship Wrestling that Sabu was briefly a part of in ‘95, was a very different place to the way the company was in 2000. The nWo wasn’t even a thing yet, and now it was on it’s fortieth iteration. Vince Russo was in creative now. As far as I can tell, Russo may have worked with Sabu in the TNA Asylum years but never for a prolonged period. Perhaps more importantly, by this time WCW had a Hardcore championship, which I’m willing to bet is where Sabu would have ended up on the card. He would likely have been having classics with the likes of Screaming Norman Smiley and Brian Knobbs, or maybe if we were lucky, the entirety of Three Count. Sabu was part of some of the early episodes of Nitro, and if things had played out differently, he could have been on the last ones as well.




FInal Days with ECW




On February 25th and 26th 2000, Sabu would wrestle what became his final weekend of matches for the company on a house show tour of Ohio. First on the Friday, he would defeat Mikey Whipwreck in Toledo, and on the night after in Cincinnati, he would win against Scott D’Amore, who was still an active wrestler at this point. Both were described in the Observer as bad matches, perhaps an indicator of where Sabu’s head was at. As a side note, this would be one of two matches that Scott D’Amore would have for ECW, as on the night before in Toledo he would lose to Chilly Willy. Aye, I’d forgotten him too.




The Torch claimed after Sabu's first weekend back that everything was not resolved though. “Locker room speculation is that Paul Heyman is waiting for Sabu to breech his contract by either no-showing an event or refusing a match finish. Those who know confirm that is the case and say that if either event occurs, Heyman will immediately file a legal complaint.” Sabu would work the weekend with no issues, made easier by Paul Heyman not being at the Toledo event, and he was next advertised for a show at the ECW arena on March 4th. The Torch also notes that the creative plans for a team with Mike Awesome had been dropped, and we would later find out that Sabu’s next feud was set to be against a man who the Observer claimed was being set up to replace Sabu, Super Crazy.




On March 11th, The Torch would report that Sabu was finally done in ECW. Wade Keller explains that Sabu had been allowed to miss the March 3rd show, a TV taping in Asbury Park New Jersey to look after his Mother, but later found out that he had taken an indie booking in Calgary, and was claiming that he couldn’t get to the next show on time. “After arguing the issue with Paul Heyman, Sabu told Heyman that he would only come to the show if ECW were to pay to have former ECW referee, Pee Wee Moore (real name, John Marx), flown in to act as Sabu's witness.” The company would refuse to do this, so Sabu would bring Pee Wee there himself.




Later in the night, a conversation is said to have taken place where Sabu disagreed with his creative. “Heyman handed Sabu a script for his match which was signed and dated and went over the plans with him. The script called for Sabu to interfere in the Super Crazy vs. C.W. Anderson match, and for the match to become a three-way involving Sabu. Sabu was supposed to pin Anderson, but lose to Crazy after missing a table spot. Sabu shook Heyman's hand, thanked him, and then quietly grabbed his gear and left the building.” At this point, Paul Heyman washed his hands of Sabu, claiming he would never work for ECW again. As Wade notes, he had said that about many other talents, but that people were convinced that he meant it this time. “Heyman feels he made a good faith effort to work things out with Sabu, even after Sabu signed a deal with WCW while under ECW contract. Heyman wants to set a precedent with Sabu, letting other wrestlers know that they will not be able to walk out on their contracts. Sabu would still like to sign with WCW, but Heyman is telling people he will not allow that to happen.” As best I can tell, Sabu remained under contract with ECW, leaving his status to work elsewhere in the US in question.




For what it’s worth, Dave Meltzer published a more cynical take on what happened, noting that nobody else in ECW was ever presented with a script like Sabu was on March 4th, and this was likely done should more legal back and forth take place. He also implies that Heyman expected to get the reaction that he did out of Sabu. “It’s pretty clear that Heyman knew ahead of time that Sabu would never put over Crazy because Sabu is stuck in that Ed Farhat mentality about doing jobs, and he feels he’s done enough of them.” One thing that is unclear in the Observer much like in the Torch was Sabu’s contractual status, whether Sabu was fired or if Heyman kept him under contract. One thing is for sure though, Heyman wasn’t going to let him out of his deal to go to World Championship Wrestling.




So if Sabu didn’t re-join WCW, or even go to WWF, where did he work? In April he would debut for ECW’s west coast rival Xtreme Pro Wrestling. He would make his first appearance at And Then There Was Four on April 15th, failing to win the XPW World title in a three way dance against Shane Douglas and the champion Chris Candido, a match he was a late addition to. Two weeks later on April 29th, with the title being vacated when Candido signed with WCW, Sabu would win a one night tournament to become their new World champion. Sabu would defeat Daniam Steele, Kronus and the Messiah to win the title, and he would hold it for over a year before being stripped of it for no-showing an event. While he would return to FMW and All Japan, and wrestle on some indies, XPW seemed to be his main promotion in the US, at least until the early days of TNA, where he would also appear sporadically.




All of this took place during an already difficult time for ECW, with several top wrestlers readying to leave, a bad relationship with TNN soon to end, and Paul’s new crop of main eventers not quite ready to take the top spots yet. Paul had to be feeling the pressure, and no doubt didn’t need another of his top talents appearing on Nitro. It seems that it took a while for the two to make amends, as Sabu claims in the James Romero interview that Heyman would block Sabu being a part of the Invasion storyline in 2001. Sabu says “I was on bad terms with Paul, and Vince was talking to Paul and he wasn’t talking to me.” He goes on to say that he almost wasn’t on the first One Night Stand event in 2005 where he would wrestle Rhino, perhaps replacing Rob Van Dam who was injured.




While Sabu didn’t have the best of endings in ECW, to this day twenty five years later, he is one of the names that is most associated with the promotion. As I’ve shown in this and my last video about Sabu, he also had one of the most turbulent relationships with the company, and with Paul Heyman, but there’s really no denying his legacy. While others went on to be WWE Superstars, other wrestlers you look at and memories of ECW come flooding back to mind, and Sabu is one of those, maybe the best of those.







Sources:

WON Jan 24th 00 Sabu not happy and Van Dam stip https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/january-24-2000-wrestling-observer-newsletter-wcw-souled-out-review/

PWTorch January 8th 00 Sabu’s age https://members.pwtorch.com/torchbackissues00/torch583/T583ECWNews.html

WON Feb 7th 00 RVD and Lynn injuries https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/february-7-2000-wrestling-observer-newsletter-radicalz-debut-wwf-rock/

WSI interview, 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTvLMbxQySA

PWTorch Feb 12 00 Torch Full story https://members.pwtorch.com/torchbackissues00/torch588/T588WCWNews.html

WON Feb 14th 00 Full story https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/february-14-2000-wrestling-observer-newsletter-vince-mcmahon-announces/

PWTorch Feb 28th Sabu’s Mother follow up https://members.pwtorch.com/torchbackissues00/torch590/T590ECWNews.html

Slam Wrestling Feb 11 00 RVD comments on Sabu’s Mother https://slamwrestling.net/index.php/2000/02/11/sabu-departure-downplayed/

PWTorch Feb 19 00 Sabu not going, Pauls comments https://members.pwtorch.com/torchbackissues00/torch589/T589ECWNews.html ADD THIS IN

WON Feb 21st 00 Sabu not going to WCW https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/february-21-2000-wrestling-observer-newsletter-1999-attendence-numbers/?

PWTorch Mar 4th Sabu back in ECW https://members.pwtorch.com/torchbackissues00/torch592/T592ECWNews.html

PWTorch Mar 11th Sabu walks out https://members.pwtorch.com/torchbackissues00/torch593/T593ECWNews.html

WON Mar 13th Daves take on Sabu walking out https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/march-13-2000-wrestling-observer-newsletter-beyond-mat-controversy-new/


Friday, July 18, 2025

The Full Story of the Public Enemy's WWE run in 1999

 




I’ve talked on this channel before about wrestlers that were synonymous with one promotion being plugged into another and the results being not what the fans had hoped. For every Rob Van Dam who thrived in his new setting post ECW, there’s a Sandman, who described the experience of working for WWE as Soul Sucking. While Sandman managed to last a little over a year, even getting inexplicably drafted to Raw, another ECW act that didn’t fair too well on Monday Nights lasted just two months. That act is the Public Enemy, one of the highlights of the early days of ECW, who didn’t quite thrive elsewhere.




In this video, We’ll look at the Public Enemy’s run in WWE in 1999. We’ll look at their path to get there, what happened and how it all went wrong.

I’m going to be skipping over the details of their ECW and WCW runs, as this video is far too long as it is. For this video I wanted to focus on their time in WWF, and I found a few matches early on that you might not know about, and there are timestamps downstairs if you want to skip to that.




Making Enemies




Ted Petty made his name as the Flyboy, but he was actually older than you might think. His in-ring career began in 1978 when he was twenty-five, making him forty years old when he started with ECW. Having been trained by Afa of the Wild Samoans, Petty began his career as the masked Cheetah Kid. He would wrestle using the Tiger Mask inspired gimmick for New Japan Pro Wrestling, and Herb Abrhams’ UWF among others. In 1990 he would have a brief run in WCW as Colonel DeKlerk, teaming with Sergeant Krueger, also known as Ray Apollo, one of the men to play Doink the Clown. Krueger and DeKlerk competed on television, and even appeared on a Clash of the Champions special and that year’s Starrcade as part of the Pat O’Connor International tag team tournament, but Petty would be gone from WCW by the end of the year following a disastrous match where the Steiners didn’t exactly get along in the ring with Apollo or Petty.




As the Cheetah Kid, Petty would wrestle a couple of enhancement matches for WWE in early 1993 against Johnny Rotten, soon to be his new tag team partner. One such match occurred on January 11th 1993 at the Manhattan Center in New York, as a dark match before the first ever episode on Monday Night Raw.




Michael Durham, later known as Johnny Rotten, then Johnny Grunge, was twelve years younger than his tag team partner, and would enter wrestling nearly a decade later. He would do a fair bit of enhancement work for WWE in 1990 using his real name, and would also wrestle for the UWF as Equalizer Zap, but as best I can tell, not at the same time as the Cheetah Kid. According to Johnny Grunge’s obituary in the Wrestling Observer, he and Rocco Rock met Paul Heyman in 1993, when Heyman was booking a tour in the Philippines that both wrestled on.




On September 18th 1993, Paul Heyman first took over as booker of ECW. On that same night the Public Enemy would make their debut. The team can be thought of as Paul’s first project, as he put the team together, and the gimmick was his creation. “The idea was to have two white hoodies who were extremely violent. He gave them an interview tag line, “We are the first generation of American children more afraid of living than dying.” This line was apparently inspired by a Newsweek article that Paul had read, “about the cultural changes taking place in America, and about the problems for young men in places like South Central in Los Angeles and Washington Heights in New York.” In the 2006 book called the Rise and Fall of ECW, Paul is quoted as saying that they weren’t named Public Enemy after the rap group, but The Public Enemy, after the 1931 James Cagney film. I believe this is commonly known as a “legal distinction”.




It’s no overstatement to say that the Public Enemy were one of the most important acts in ECW’s early years. When Rocco Rock passed away in 2002, his obituary in the Wrestling Observer said that “they were the face of the promotion during the period it started being put on the map with regular sellouts of the ECW Arena and popularizing the three-way dance concept.” When the company dropped Eastern from it’s name and went Extreme, the catalyst was Shane Douglas’ infamous promo where he threw down the NWA World title, but The Public Enemy were part of an equally iconic visual. On the August 30th 1994 episode of Hardcore TV, the same episode where Douglas’ promo aired, the broadcast would end with Rock and Grunge vandalizing the ECW logo banner, crossing out the word ‘Eastern’ and spray painting ‘Extreme’ on it. This banner would stay on the programme as a visual representation that you weren’t watching the old NWA Eastern Championship Wrestling anymore.




WWE tryout




On November 19th 1995, at Survivor Series no less, The Public Enemy would compete in a dark match against the then tag team champions, the Smoking Guns. This was essentially a tryout match, in front of a pay per view crowd, against a top tag team. “Called Public Enemy (they wouldn’t have used that handle had the match been televised), it was described to us as an unimpressive almost-squash like warm-up match. They got a great reaction by the ECW fans at the show, but most of the fans didn’t react to them nor know who they were.” While some might think that this was a tryout of sorts, Dave Meltzer seems to have thought differently. He says “it was a one-shot deal and not a sign they’d made the decision to go to WWF. From what we’re told, they are strongly leaning toward WCW and that the final decision should be made this week.”




As alluded to earlier, it’s highly unlikely that in New Generation WWF they would have been able to keep their name and gimmick, and they certainly wouldn’t have been putting anyone through tables, so if they were going to keep this in a bigger promotion, WCW might have been the way to go. The two would debut on the January 15th episode of Nitro, defeating the American Males. They would briefly hold the tag team titles once later in the year, and stay around until August ‘98, last losing to the Dancing Fools, Disco Inferno and Alex Wright.




Having not been seen on WCW events in months, The Public Enemy would be quietly released from the company. So quietly that it wouldn’t be reported until November. “Public Enemy and Ultimo Dragon have been dropped from the roster. PE has contacted ECW about returning and it wouldn’t be surprising if they went back for the short-run against the Dudleys, but long run is questionable.” The Pro Wrestling Torch also notes in November that their contracts were due to expire in January. If they hadn’t been used since August and this was reported in November, it very much seems like the writing was on the wall for them. A couple of weeks later it would seem that ECW was teasing an altercation between ECW’s first and current top tag teams. On the November 21st Hardcore TV, the Dudley’s fifth ECW tag title reign which had begun on November 6th had broken the previous record held by Grunge and Rocco. By the time the Public Enemy would return in January, Bubba and D-Von would no longer be champions having lost to Rob Van Dam and Sabu, but the Observer still noted that “Public Enemy themselves are hoping more to be picked up by WWF, and anything is possible, but since WWF already has the Oddities, I can’t see it.” That comparison doesn’t sound the most flattering, and it is probably a sign of what’s to come. Incidentally, the Oddities would break up following a beatdown by the Ministry on February 28th, meaning that they and Public Enemy overlapped by about a week. Mystic Dave might have had a point there.




ECW Return




On January 16th ‘99, Public Enemy would return to ECW at House Party. It took so long for them to arrive because they had disagreed on money as Dave reported in December. Leading up to House Party, Bubba Ray Dudley had laid out a challenge on ECW TV. Them vs Public Enemy feels like a meeting of two era’s of the company in a way. House Party wasn’t supposed to be a one off, “although it isn’t decided which shows or for how long, as nothing is locked.”




With the heavily teased return of the Public Enemy, as well as the ECW arena debut of Sid, who had made his first appearance for the company a week earlier at Guilty as Charged, the ECW arena was said to be fully sold out with seventeen hundred fans there. The show was heavily delayed, as “Sid missed his flight and didn’t arrive at the airport until close to 11 p.m.” Another way they stalled the show was by teasing that Public Enemy weren’t showing up. To begin the show, their music would play, only for Danny Doring and Roadkill to come out instead. Later in the night the Dudleys had a segment in the ring where they told the crowd that Grunge and Rock weren’t coming. As Sid was so late to the building, he ended up having the last match of the night against Skull Von Krush, and after that the Dudleys would return to the ring to goad the fans even more.




Bubba and D-Von returned dressed as Rocco and Grunge to swerve the fans. Eventually, ‘Here Comes the HotStepper” would play, and the Public Enemy would run out. When this aired on the January 30th Hardcore TV, we would see a brief glimpse of them taking on the Dudleys, then the show would end. On the House Party ‘99 home video release, a former rival of Public Enemy who was now feuding with the Dudleys, New Jack would bring a can full of weapons and even the odds. There wasn’t a match as such, more of a wild brawl that Public Enemy came out on top of. To end the night, Johnny Grunge tells the crowd that it’s good to be home, and professes the team's love for ECW. According to the following Observer, “Public Enemy will be doing some dates including Detroit this week and almost surely wrestling Dudleys, but they won’t be regulars at this point.”




As we got into February, it still seemed like Grunge and Rock were sticking around for a while longer. They appeared on the Detroit event on January 23rd, and had another fight with the Dudleys which would air on February 6th, sort of. Only small parts of this fight would air, and the reason for this might have been revealed in the Observer, as the report Dave published claims that the crowd weren’t into the segment, and it all went to pot when Johnny Grunge no-sold the 3D, a highly protected move at the time. Dave also notes that all according to plan, Public Enemy were set to appear at Living Dangerously in March, but that would end up not happening.




A note from the Pro Wrestling Torch might explain a bit why the Public Enemy didn’t stay all too long in their second run, as Wade Keller that they had been disappointed with the reaction they received at House Party. “Although they got a good pop for their Jan 16 return to ECW, when they went into the crowd to dance, only about one-third of the fans waved their arms with them. A lot of fans who attend ECW Arena aren’t the same who were there over two years ago last time TPE headlined. Those who remain from that era may not forgive TPE for becoming a comedy jobber team in WCW.“ Wade also added that Heyman’s main goal for them at this point was to use them to help build the Dudley’s more, and they likely knew this.




A week later, it would be reported in the Observer that Public Enemy might be WWE bound after all. “The WWF has offered them a contract to start at television imminently. They had originally looked for work from the WWF when their WCW deal expired, but were turned down, but Terry Taylor came up with an idea for them and they were then offered a contract last week.” Remember that last part for later about an idea being had for them when we get to what they actually did in WWE. The Torch offered more information on them going to WWE, saying “They were backstage at Raw on Monday and on Tuesday were in Stamford, Conn. to sign the actual contract – a downside guarantee said to be in the $125,000 to $175,000 range.” The next week it was reported that they had in fact signed, with a quite interesting tidbit about their name. “Paul Heyman actually owns the rights to the name Public Enemy for pro wrestling purposes (I know that nobody believed that one, but the WWF checked it out and it turned out to be true) but allowed WCW to use the name.”




Wade Keller notes that they left ECW on bad terms, as Paul Heyman had hoped they would stay at least until Living Dangerously for a match with the Dudleys where you would guess that the Dudley’s would win. “Heyman had a heated conversation with Johnny Grunge the day before the show when Grunge informed him they didn’t plan to show up. Heyman supposedly said he wouldn’t forget them “walking out on him”” For weeks afterwards, the Dudleys would continue to bury the Public Enemy, which obviously was going to lead nowhere.




Attitude Adjustment




The Public Enemy would make their televised WWE debut at a Raw Taping on February 16th ‘99. During their time as Superstars, they would wrestle just seven matches on television, and we’re going through all of them here. In match number one which aired on February 22nd ‘99, Rocco and Grunge would make their unannounced entrances, and wrestle Edge and Gangrel of the Brood. Before the bell even rings the Brood go on the attack. Not a single tag happens in the entire bout, with referee Mike Choida at one point reaching a five count and just deciding not to DQ anyone. Public Enemy hit some good looking double team moves until Christian runs in, giving Public Enemy the DQ win. Before the segment can end, Grunge and Rocco are the victims of a Brood bloodbath, and the crowd are barely alive for any of it. Dave Meltzer was a little less kind to this than I’m being. “Didn’t take long for PE to look bad. They don’t take bumps, Grunge has put on even more weight, and both looked real slow. They got no reaction.” In the Torch, despite an equally negative review, Wade speculated if a match between the Public Enemy and the Brood was being planned for Wrestlemania fifthteen, and honestly there was probably less chance of that than the Dudleys match happening.




In their next match which would air on February 28th, Public Enemy would defeat a team on the rise in the Hardy Boyz. While Matt and Jeff weren’t much of anything at the start of ‘99, they would be well on their way to becoming huge stars by the end of the year. Very early in the match the Brood would stand on the stage watching. Mid match, Public Enemy would put Matt through a table with a move I don’t think anybody would want to have to take, as the weight of both Rocco and Grunge crashed onto him, then they would pin Matt, and the Brood would attack afterwards. The whole match would again last two minutes, quite long for the attitude era, and at least this one ended with by pinfall.




The next night on the March 1st Raw, Public Enemy didn’t wrestle but it was becoming clear where they stood against the Brood. The team came out to the Broods music dressed up as them, which seemed to be a pretty common trope in the 90’s. Public Enemy would take the microphone, and tell us that they aren’t afraid, and as if that were their cue, the lights would go out in the arena. When they came back on, Rocco Rock had disappeared. Later in the night we find out what happened to Rocco. While the cameraman was running back into the building following a wild brawl outside, we very briefly see Rocco strung up, covered in blood, while Johnny Grunge yells into the void for help. After taking two beatdowns already and having just told us they weren’t scared this didn’t help their image much. Their Public image, never mind.




Next, Public Enemy would have their most infamous match in WWE. On the March 7th Sunday Night Heat episode, they would face the Acolytes. To make things worse, this match would actually take place in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, right in ECW country, on the same night that Kurt Angle would make an appearance while he was still in training. The brief match resembles an absolute mauling, with Bradshaw and Farooq not letting Public Enemy get anything in. Bradshaw even breaks a chair outside the ring on Johnny Grunge’s back, as Farooq drops the stairs on Rocco. After Bradshaw puts Gunge through a table and swings the now broken chair a few more times, the referee finally calls for the bell. Kevin Kelly and Tom Prichard on commentary try to explain that the Undertaker had ordered the Acolytes to do this on the behalf of the Brood, and they question if we’ll ever see the Public Enemy again.




On a 2019 episode of Something to Wrestle, Bruce Prichard explains that right before the four men were due to walk through the curtain, the Public Enemy refused to go through a table, which was the planned finish of the match. Given how tied to putting others through tables the Public Enemy were, I found this explanation a little odd, but Bruce doubles down by claiming that they could dish it out but couldn’t take it. When challenged by Conrad, Bruce even condones what the Acolytes did, saying that Rocco and Grunge weren’t cooperating, and implying that a mauling is what they deserved for it.




For what it’s worth, the PWTorch gave a similar version of events at the time. “Public Enemy disputed the planned finish of them doing a job against The Acolytes at the Mar. 2 Raw taping. To send PE, who are new to the WWF, a message about such protests, Bradshaw and Faarooq wrestled an overly stiff match and didn’t give PE any offense at all (Bradshaw was especially upset, and he’s the wrong guy to be on the wrong side of). When PE returned to the back after the match, Rocco tried to save face by saying the match was easy.” In March 2024, JBL would note on Twitter that he never actually found out why Public Enemy refused to do the finish, or what their idea was. By the looks of it when you watch this match, he didn’t take all that much time to ask.




In August 2021, Bradshaw on his podcast with Gerald Brisco discussed the match with it’s referee, Jim Korderas. JBL’s side of things, and remember this is Bradshaw talking, is that Public Enemy refused the finish right as their music was playing and they went through the curtain, so when he and Farooq followed, they weren’t sure what was to follow, but assumed it would be a fight. One final note from this match comes from an issue of the Torch weeks later, as it is noted that a former ECW colleague of the Public Enemy objected to what the Acolytes had done. “Mick Foley spoke out in the locker room against the Acolytes retaliation. He considered it unprofessional.” It’s very bold of Mick to speak against such behaviour and have no receipt come back to him, ah. To be clear I have no idea if this is related, and Mankind defeats the Acolytes quite a lot in that year.




On the following week's episode of Heat on March 14th, Michael Cole attempted to interview the Public Enemy. He tells them that it seems like none of the other wrestlers want them in WWE, and just as Rocco begins to address this, the Brood attack again, leading to a pull-apart brawl. Here begins the new story for the team, where wrestlers, and later officials would openly show disgust towards them. The problem is, it doesn't feel like just a storyline. “People are already talking of the hiring of Public Enemy as being a mistake. Johnny Grunge, in particular, just looks totally out of his league in the WWF. If you watch the Heat match against the Acolytes, both guys, Bradshaw in particular, was stiffing them left and right on spots. Some of the stuff Bradshaw was throwing was really brutal. Apparently this was meant as a message and was condoned by those in charge” Remember earlier when I told you that Terry Taylor had got them hired with an idea in mind, I imagine this wasn’t it.




Fourth on the list is the team’s second and last match on Raw, and they would lose a tag team championship match against Owen Hart and Jeff Jarrett in a couple of minutes. This match is notable for two things, firstly the reveal before it of hell Jim Ross’ own personal announce table in front of Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler. This is a subject for a whole other time, but a quite funny idea, executed far better than the Cole Mine years later. Secondly, the end of the match comes when Jeff Jarrett right in front of referee Mike Chioda decks Johnny Grunge with a guitar. Mike turns around, literally looking the other way, and turns back to count the pin. Michael Cole even makes the point that it should have been a DQ, and Lawler responds that it looks like the referees don’t want Public Enemy in the company any more than the wrestlers do. It seems that art may have been imitating life here as Dave elaborates, “The angle that nobody wants them in WWF stems from the idea that many believe signing them was a bad idea to begin with, and it has nothing to do with where they came from and everything to do with the fact they stand out like a sore thumb in their matches.”




If you were under any illusion as to where the Public Enemy stood in WWE, on March 28th on the Sunday Night Heat that took place before Wrestlemania fifthteen they were entered into a battle royal to determine who would challenge for the tag team titles on the main show. As soon as the match begins, everyone else in the ring teams up to throw Public Enemy out first, with the makeshift team of D’Lo Brown and Test getting the match later on. This would be the closest the Public Enemy would ever get to a match on Wrestlemania, and again they were buried in Philadelphia where they first got popular in ECW.




Rock and Grunge’s final two matches for WWE would take place on Shotgun Saturday Night, a clear sign that things aren’t going too well. On April 3rd, they would lose a four team bout along with DOA members Skull and 8-Ball, more famously known as the Harris Brothers, and the Hardys, to the winners Brian Christopher and Scott Taylor, known at this time as Too Much. At over six minutes, this would be the longest match they would ever have for the company, but only technically. Throughout the match no other team would let them tag in, with Too Much openly mocking them in the ring. The end comes when Public Enemy finally do get in the ring, and are piled on by all the other wrestlers. Because Scott Taylor is the one at the bottom of the pile, which is to say he pinned them first, Too Much are declared the winners.




FInally, Public Enemy would have their last match for the company on April 10th ‘99, losing to the Hardys. This is very much the closest thing Public Enemy have in WWE to a regular tag team match that is given some time. I say almost, because the end comes when the Public Enemy decide to put Jeff through a table, leading to a DQ win for the Hardys. Johnny Grunge seems almost annoyed at this, perhaps thinking that they might not get DQ’d, which seemed strange at first, but in their first match they had put Matt through a table and weren't disqualified then. The rules, it seems, applied to them more than they had before. Kevin Kelly and Terry Taylor on commentary note that the Public Enemy seem to be taking a stand against being singled out by the locker room. I wonder how that would go?




A couple of days later on April 12th at a TV taping in Grand Rapids Michigan, Grunge and Rocco were informed that they had been released from WWE. They wouldn’t be alone though as several others would be too, though the full list wasn’t known yet. In the April 26th Observer far more information was published, including a full list of names who were let go. Among those let go were Gillberg who was the light heavyweight champion at the time, and was still recognised as such when he was brought back a few months later, the Blue Meanie, George Steele and Golga who had nothing to do since the Oddities had been split up, Steve Williams, Skull and 8-Ball of the DOA, Bart Gunn who had last been seen at Wrestlemania, the Legion of Doom, Sniper of the Truth Commission, and Fatu, who would be brought back later in the year and become Rikishi. Of those names, only two had appeared on Wrestlemania a couple of weeks earlier, that being Bart who lost the Brawl for All match, and the Blue Meanie who accompanied Goldust to the ring. A few more competed in the battle royal on Heat, but as Dave notes, “many of the names on the list are not a surprise.” While in recent years we see a post-Wrestlemania culling of wrestlers regularly, this can’t have been as common back then judging from the reactions of Meltzer and Keller, who note how well the company was doing in the late 90’s. Dave claims that WWE was in “its strongest financial condition in history” to that point, giving the idea that these cuts were made because of creative decisions and not financial ones.




In his write up at the time of the Public Enemy’s release, Dave calls the team “basically a failure from day one,” but points to the Acolytes match as the straw that broke the camel’s back. “At that point, when it became pretty clear they weren’t getting over and their work wasn’t up to par and the word got out they had no future, they were actually given a short-term gimmick of being the wrestlers that nobody in the company even wanted around.” Having watched their entire WWE run, I’d be willing to argue that this assessment is a bit harsh. They weren’t ever introduced to the audience properly, walking out onto Raw and into a feud with the Brood. The Public Enemy would get beaten down and made to look less than by the Brood on a weekly basis who were also part of a much bigger storyline at the same time in the Ministry of Darkness versus Vince McMahon’s corporation. Their matches weren’t very long and had no real structure to them, with their debut especially just being a series of double team moves until the DQ finish. I think it’s more fair to say, that they weren’t ever really given a fair shot to begin with, or a chance to connect with the fans. They were here today, broke a few tables and chairs, and gone not long after.




In June 1999, WWF Magazine would actually profile the Public Enemy in their ‘Rookies to Legends’ page. The piece is very thorough in covering the teams time in ECW as well as even WCW. What it doesn’t mention though, is that Grunge and Rocco were already in talks to rejoin WCW by the time the issue came out. Granted the magazine was likely written a fair bit ahead of time, but that’s still something that probably should have been proofread. By August, the Public Enemy would be back in WCW, but they were gone again within a few weeks. The team would remain active on the indies, working international tours in Puerto Rico and Australia in 2000, and more in the US until a couple of weeks before Rocco Rock’s death in September 2002 at age forty-nine.




You might be wondering what Rocco Rock or Johnny Grunge had to say about their time in WWE, well it was a real struggle to find any comments from either of them, as shoot interviews nor talking about what was going on inside wrestling weren't as commonplace as they are today. I did find this odd bloke though, who attempts to interview people beyond the grave. Just don’t look at his sub count. I don’t know about you, but I can’t imagine watching an English fella on YouTube who looks to be sitting in his bedroom. I’m not even talking about him by the way, thank you.




In June 2005, on the weekend of Hardcore Homecoming and One Night Stand, tributes were made to Rocco along with other fallen ECW alumni. On the Shane Douglas promoted show on June 10th 2005 Johnny Grunge, Pitbull Gary Wolfe and Tammy Lynn Sytch would take part in an in-ring segment to pay tribute to Rocco, Wolf’s partner Anthony Durante, and the recently passed Chris Candido. Meanwhile on the WWE produced event on June 12th, he was shown as part of an ‘in memoriam’ video package. That’s not the only tribute to him though, as since 2002, a tournament first promoted by Ian Rotten in 2000 began bearing his name. The Ted Petty Invitational tournament has to date run thirteen times, and in the early years had a reputation for highlighting some of the best young indie talent before they got signed to bigger things. Many, many future world champions appeared in a Ted Petty Tournament, with the 2004 iteration being commonly thought of as the standout year.




In 2006, Johnny Grunge would also pass away at the age of forty, the same age Rocco was when the two debuted in ECW. To this day, banners hang from the ceiling of the building formerly known as the ECW arena, paying tribute to The Public Enemy. These banners hang permanently, and are representative of the Hardcore Hall of Fame, which was first established after Rocco’s death.




Ending




At the start of this video, I mentioned that the Public Enemy thrived in ECW, but didn’t seem to anywhere else. A lot of people give the credit for this to Paul Heyman, for his booking philosophy of accentuating people’s positives and hiding their negatives. Dave Meltzer writing in 2000 puts it this way, “Public Enemy was the most important act for probably a year in a building company and the subject of a bidding war from WWF and WCW when they wanted to move on. This is all living proof that a good booker and some team players can make not just fans, but nearly everyone in the industry, think people with little inherent ability are big stars.” He means this negatively, making it clear in their years post ECW that he wasn’t a fan, but you can also see the positive side there, that for a few years they came across as stars to an entire audience, even if they couldn’t achieve that elsewhere as I hope I’ve shown in this video, not necessarily by their own fault.




There are several things that people sometimes point to as the mistake that the Public Enemy made. Choosing WCW over WWF in ‘95, burning their bridge with ECW in ‘99, or the situation with the Acolytes. Either way it’s hard not to feel like the two were hard done by. Rocco passed away in 2002 from a genetic heart condition and Grunge in 2006. It would have felt special to have seen them get some kind of vindication at One Night Stand, or Hardcore Homecoming, or even in TNA or Ring Of Honor in the years that followed. Anything but Hardcore Justice though, we could all do without as Johnathan Nu-Metal and Rocco Stone appearing in the Impact Zone, although maybe we could have gotten that Team 3D match.




Sources:




WON Sept 30 02 Rocco Rock Obituary https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/september-30-2002-observer-newsletter-death-ted-petty-97547/

Rise and Fall fo ECW, 2006, Thom Loverro, P28 https://archive.org/details/risefallofecw00thom/page/29/mode/2up

WON Jan 6th 96 Team name when they went to WCW https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/jan-2-1996-observer-newsletter-wwe-bringing-surprises-royal-rumble/

WON Feb 27th 2006 Johnny Grunge Obituary https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/february-27-2006-observer-newsletter-wwe-no-way-out-johnny-grunge-passes-away/




WON Nov 27th 95 WWE Dark Match https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/nov-27-1995-wrestling-observer-newsletter-laura-brevetti-investigation/

WON Nov 16th 98 WCW release https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/november-16-1998-wrestling-observer-newsletter-more-ventura-winning/

WON Nov 30th 98 ECW return not likely https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/november-30-1998-wrestling-observer-newsletter-3-top-stars-potentially/

PWTorch Nov 14th 98 WCW contracts expiring https://vip.pwtorch.com/2018/11/10/vip-1998-back-issue-pro-wrestling-torch-520-november-14-1998-cover-story-on-first-major-signs-of-wcw-spiralling-downward-mitchell-coverage-of-jesse-ventura-election-keller-updates-on/

WON Dec 28th 98 Money disagreement https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/december-28-1998-wrestling-observer-newsletter-bischoff-gets-historic/




WON Jan 18th 99 ECW return 1 https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/january-18-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-giant-baba-retires-ecw/

WON Jan 25th 99 ECW return 2 https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/january-25-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-shawn-michaels-has/

WON Feb 1st Detroit show and Living Dangerously https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/february-1-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-royal-rumble-recap-1998s/

PWTorch Jan 30 99 PE not happy with return https://vip.pwtorch.com/2019/01/26/vip-1999-back-issue-pro-wrestling-torch-531-january-30-1999-detailed-coverage-of-wwfs-royal-rumble-99-ppv-pwtorchs-annual-most-influential-list-news-of-chris-jericho-and-big/

WON Feb 15th offer from WWE https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/february-15-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-reaction-death-giant/

PWTorch Feb 20th 99 More on ECW exit https://vip.pwtorch.com/2019/02/24/vip-1999-back-issue-pro-wrestling-torch-536-february-20-1999-cover-story-looking-at-vince-mcmahons-first-official-match-ever-in-main-event-of-st-valentines-day-massacre-ppv-dateli/




WON Mar 1st Raw debut https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/march-1-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-wcw-ratings-cause-panic/

PWTorch Feb 27th Wrestlemania XV speculation https://vip.pwtorch.com/2019/03/02/vip-1999-back-issue-pro-wrestling-torch-537-february-27-1999-cover-story-titled-wrestling-is-booming-wrestlers-pay-is-not-coverage-of-wcw-superbrawl-99-ppv-headlined-by-flair/

PWTorch March 5th Acolytes match https://vip.pwtorch.com/2019/03/03/vip-1999-back-issue-pro-wrestling-torch-538-march-6-1999-cover-story-on-inside-editions-feature-on-wwf-marketing-raunch-to-kids-cover-sidebar-on-bischoff-attempting-to-distance-himse/

Stories with Brisco and Bradshaw August 27th 2021 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H214aCH6tRc

Something to Wrestle #153 May 3rd 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJKKS_U80vA

PWTorch April 17th Mick Foley speaks up https://vip.pwtorch.com/2019/04/13/vip-1999-back-issue-pro-wrestling-torch-544-april-17-1999-cover-story-on-firing-of-davey-boy-smith-while-he-was-hospitalized-coverage-of-wcws-spring-stampede-ppv-including-dallas-pag/

WON Mar 15 PE a mistake https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/march-15-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-wwf-wins-monday-night/

WON Mar 22 Review of Owen and Jeff match and nobody wanting PE around https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/march-22-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-wcw-uncensored-review/

WON April 19th Given notice of release https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/april-19-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-davey-boy-smith/



WON April 26th 99 more info on releases https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/april-26-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-davy-boy-smith-recovering/

Friday, July 4, 2025

Kurt Angle's Timeline" From Gold Medal to his WWE Debut


 While most of todays wrestlers came to wrestling through loving it as a fan, this isn't the case for everyone. In fact some wrestlers famously didn’t love it before they gave it a go, and one of those wrestlers, maybe one of the most successful wrestlers, is Kurt Angle. A while back I made a video about an appearance Kurt made on the March 3rd ‘99 episode of Sunday Night Heat, several months before his in ring debut in November. It’s since bothered me that I wasn’t more thorough with my research, and so in this video I’m going through the timeline, from Kurt winning his gold medal at the ‘96 Olympics, to his WWE debut in ‘99. I’m going to be using a few sources, one being Kurt’s 2001 autobiography, which I’ve had since the man himself had hair. I’ve also scoured every Wrestling Observer from July ‘96 to November ‘99, as well as interviews I found too. I’m sure you’ve seen that this is a long video, so I’ve put time stamps underneath.


Life after the 1996 Olympics


After Kurt won his Olympic Gold Medal on July 31st 1996, his life completely changed. In his book he notes “For six months my gold medal was an industry. Everybody wanted to rub elbows with a gold medalist, and they were happy to pay for the opportunity.” Kurt decided to make the very most of this, taking on as much as possible including commercials, sponsorships and motivational speaking appearances. He notes that he loved the speaking gigs that he did in high schools, saying “I spoke at two hundred and sixty schools and I enjoyed that. I had a message I wanted to get out to kids. I was proof of what you could do if you dedicated yourself and made sacrifices.”


Kurt then talks about doing TV appearances, from appearing on the late night shows with Jay Leno and Conan O’Brien, to appearing on Beach House on MTV with Jenny McCarthy. He took on more TV work becoming a reporter covering sports for Fox, but found that by doing this he was distancing himself from his former world. “I found out pretty quickly that once you cross that line and become part of the media, a lot of pro-athletes never look at you in quite the same way. The more I worked, the more I would go to games, the more I realised that athletes didn’t respect me as much.” He says he found this transition hard, going from feeling like one of them, to being a guy with a microphone asking them questions. In later Wrestling Observers, Dave Meltzer writes that Kurt wasn’t any good as a sportscaster, but to be fair to him, from what he says in his book he never seemed to like it anyway.


1996


As far as wrestling of the professional kind, the first mention of Kurt in the Wrestling Observer comes in the September 9th ‘96 issue. Dave Meltzer reports that Kurt had “received an offer from Linda McMahon. Angle has also received offers from at least two Japanese promotions, at least one of which was either RINGS or UWFI.” In the next week’s issue, it is noted that on September 5th, he had a meeting with Vince McMahon at the WWF’s offices, and they must have felt fairly confident in signing him as it was even mentioned on television. Dave also adds that silver medalist Matt Ghaffari was also approached. He would receive an offer from WCW, and would even be introduced on television as joining the company, but wouldn’t in the end. On September 23rd, it’s is said that Nikkan Sports in Japan was claiming that Kurt had signed with WWE, but also that this wasn’t the case. By the end of the month, it seems that Kurt was turning down offers, as the Observer says, “It appears right now that Kurt Angle is interested in continuing until the 2000 Olympics and won’t be taking the offers thrown his way by both WWF and WCW.”


Around this time, Kurt would make his infamous appearance at ECW, the night that nearly put Kurt off pro-wrestling entirely. In his book Kurt explains that what he was sold on ended up being nothing like an ECW that anybody would recognise. “Someone from ECW called me and gave me this pitch about how they were a new organisation, trying to make pro wrestling more legitimate, and they were hoping I would give them some credibility. I thought they meant they were trying to be more like amateur wrestling, so I agreed.” It’s hard not to have the feeling that Kurt is partly to blame here, as had he tuned into the previous week’s episode of Hardcore TV, he would have seen a brutal weapons filled match between the Gangstas and the Eliminators, and maybe gotten a better idea of what ECW was.


The person who called him turned out to be former ECW World champion Shane Douglas, who reached out to Kurt based on their mutual links to Pennsylvania, with the two growing up not far from each other. In a 2020 interview with PWInsider, Kurt offered more information on this, actually naming Shane as he doesn’t in his book, and reiterating that Shane sold him on ECW being quote, “structured more like amateur wrestling, more like your sport than WWE.”


On October 26th 1996, Kurt Angle would arrive at the ECW arena for High Incident, named after the main event of the night, where Tommy Dreamer would meet Brian Lee in a scaffold match. Kurt left before this match would take place, but I’d love to know what he would have thought about that given his views on the rest of the show. Matches from the night would air on the following week’s episodes of Hardcore TV, including a shoot fight rules match pitting Taz against Little Guido, which was no doubt put on to give Kurt an idea that ECW wasn’t all about violence and gore, just mostly.


The October 29th episode of Hardcore TV would begin with Joey Styles welcoming us to the show in the ring. He takes some pretty savage shots at WWE, and the olympian they had recently signed, Mark Henry. By this time Mark had already had his first televised match, defeating Jerry Lawler at In Your House Ten in a less than popular effort. Styles uses the fact that Mark is not a medalist to introduce Kurt to the crowd, as he comes out, gold medal and all. They are clearly pulling everything to try and impress Kurt, and Little Guido is introduced while Styles notes his amateur background. Guido takes the microphone and calls Kurt his idol, perhaps laying the praise on a bit thick. Next out comes Taz, accompanied by his team of cornermen, to the tune of War Machine by Kiss. taz shows some respect to Angle, shaking his hand and calling him the best amateur wrestler around, but Taz also tells him that he is the best professional.


Kurt then joins Joey Styles on commentary for the Taz vs Guido match, where he notes that he would be excited to get five minutes in the ring with him. Kurt would eventually almost get his wish, having a three minute match with Tazz at the 2000 Royal Rumble, but no doubt ECW wished it would have happened sooner in their ring. Throughout the match a graphic is displayed on the screen letting you know that Kurt is still there. While he seems impressed by the wrestling holds, he doesn’t sound at all familiar with pro wrestling, with Joey at one point explaining the rope breaks to him. In the relatively one sided match, Taz wins with his Tazmission. Post match Taz gets on the mic and tells Kurt that he just had a gold medal performance, and we get one last shot of Kurt from the crows nest. In the next segment, Joey claims that Kurt had offers from WWE and WCW, but chose to endorse ECW, and once again tells us what an honour it was to have Kurt there, but Kurt does not appear again.


Later on the same episode of Hardcore TV, the Sandman would retain the ECW world title in the main event, defeating Too Cold Scorpio. After the match Tyler would enter the ring, and give his Dad a hug, only for this to be a trap, leading Raven to attack from behind. The show would go off the air here, but in the building the segment ended with Raven and his lackeys Stevie Richards and the Blue Meanie producing a wooden cross from under the ring, and proceeding to depict the crucifixion with Sandman, complete with barbed wire as a crown of thorns.


The following week’s episode begins with more of what happened, with Raven hitting a piledriver off the apron through a table. The crucifixion would never actually air on ECW TV, likely because Kurt threatened to sue if it was associated with him. As Kurt says in his book, “I left the arena thinking how badly my image would be damaged if people saw or heard me being a part of that match. Fortunately, Paul E. decided to not even show the match, and I just tried to forget that I’d ever agreed to be there.”


After the crucifixion happened, later that night Raven would be sent out to awkwardly apologise to the crowd. It was later reported that this was largely due to how angry Kurt Angle had been by what he saw. “Angle was so upset about it because he does so much work in the community and has a certain image and felt that it would reflect negatively on him being a part of a group that did something like this.” A couple of weeks later Heyman would claim to the Observer that Kurt’s reaction was part of the reason for the apology, but not the whole reason. It’s worth noting that around this time wrestling as a whole was under scrutiny for it’s over the edge content, as on November 4th the Brian Pillman and Steve Austin gun incident happened on Raw, creating a lot of media attention.


In the years since, the question has been posed many times, even by the Sandman in the ECW documentary Forever Hardcore, why Kurt had such an issue with what ECW did, but seemingly had no issue with The Undertaker using a cross- ahem, symbol a few years later on. There are some differences that you can point to, like the use of barbed wire to symbolize a crown of thorns, or the overall grittier presentation of it. In Kurt’s book he notes that aside from the cross, he didn’t like the aspect of Tyler Fullington, the Sandman’s young son being included in the storyline rooting against his father. Kurt has also stated many times that his understanding and tolerance of pro wrestling was much different back then, and this coupled with feeling like he had been sold up the river won’t have helped matters. 


1997


1997 is going to be a fairly short chapter, as following the ECW experience, Kurt was pretty down on pro wrestling, but his manager and friend, a bodybuilder named Dave Hawk, was persistent in trying to get him to consider WWE. Dave had interacted with Kurt through approaching him to promote Ostrim, an Ostrich meat based product that is still around today. Dave also had made contact with WWE, as he “was also trying to sell the World Wrestling Federation on the idea of endorsing Ostrim.” In his own words, “Dave kept working on me, telling me that the World Wrestling Federation was the top organisation in the business, and I could be a star there.” It was at this point that I realised who owned the copyright for this book. Fair play to Dave though, he was right about Kurt becoming a star.


For the sake of thoroughness, in the March 17th ‘97 Observer, it’s mentioned very briefly that Kurt worked at an indie show in Pittsburgh on February 15th. I tried to find anything else about what this event might have been or what Angle might have done but I found nothing at all other than the Observer noting it a month later. This is the only mention of Kurt relating to wrestling in the whole year, except in October, where he was announced as one of the judges for a grappling event put on by IWF, a short lived MMA style company.


1998


From here we jump to August 24th 1998, when the Observer makes its first mention of Kurt Angle attending wrestling training. Remember that reporting job I mentioned earlier, Dave Meltzer says that “After doing poorly as a TV sportscaster, he contacted WWF and they wanted him to train for a week under Dory Funk before offering him any kind of deal. His marketability after two years of being an unknown on a national basis is way down from what it would have been had he started right after winning the medal.” Kurt Angle has actually told a similar version to this on his podcast, saying that it took him several attempts to get through to anyone. His book also says that they didn’t seem to take him seriously, especially when he told them that he wouldn’t be losing to just anyone. Kurt puts this down to not understanding the business yet in hindsight.


Kurt’s training would take the form of WWF endorsed training camps, led by Dory Funk Jr. and Dr. Tom Prichard. In Kurt’s book he explains that these training camps were “one week a month in Stamford Connecticut, where they’re always looking for new talent.” On his podcast, he offers more detail about what these were like, and it sounds nothing like the performance center of today. *Pod clip*


Also attending Kurt’s first training camp were Shawn Stasiak, Christian Cage, Andrew Martin, the future Test, Teddy Hart, as well as the Hardys. Kurt goes on to say that he got cold feet nearer the time of his first camp, so Dave Hawk went with him as his room mate. Kurt says that “Dave didn’t stay long though, Even though everything was new to me - the bumps, the falls - I picked it up so quickly that I blew them away with my tryout. On my second day there, Jim Ross signed me to a five year deal. I’ve been told that they’ve never done that with anyone else.”


In the next week’s newsletter on August 31st, just days into his training, Kurt's first matches would be reported. “He worked some matches with Dory Funk in his corner as a manager and was put over on all the house shows and got a big babyface reception.” His first match took place on August 20th in Salem Massachusetts for the World Wrestling Alliance. According to Cagematch this was against one of his trainers Tom Prichard. On his podcast Kurt recalls his memory of this match. *Pod Clip* With one of his trainers across the ring from him, and another in his corner, it feels like Kurt was being put in a strong position to make a good first impression.


Video actually exists online of his second match, which took place the day after in Quincy against Shawn Stasiak, the same man he would have his WWE debut match against. One thing that’s interesting about this match is that on commentary it is noted that Kurt has already signed a five year deal with WWE, though this wouldn’t make it to the Observer until September 14th, nearly a month later. Kurt says in his book that “It’s unheard of for someone to be put into a match after only three days in the business, but they let me do it because I picked up on everything so quickly.”


On the third night of WWA’s Summerslam Fest a day later, Kurt would win a battle royal, and win a singles match against a man he would come to know well in WWE, Christian Cage, who is described in the Observer as a “Chris Jericho look alike”. Kurt was described as having a strong training camp, and it seems like he stood out among his class early on, as in the September 7th issue he, Test and Christian were noted as being the most impressive.


On September 28th, Kurt’s second training camp is reported on. Many of the same names are with him, but with Matt Bloom, the future Prince Albert among many other gimmicks, and Giant Silva are added to the list. Just look at that trio for a second. “Angle is apparently the star of the camp and is again being compared with Ken Shamrock as far as how quickly he picks everything up. He’s not going to debut that soon because plans are to give him a major push and they don’t want him shown on television until he’s ready to carry the push” On November 16th it would be reported that he was again the star of a training camp, and that they had high hopes for him debuting early in 1999.


On October 24th, the National Wrestling Alliance would present it’s 50th anniversary show. On that card a “WWF dojo battle royal” would be presented, with many of the wrestlers I’ve listed in the match. Dr. Death Steve Williams would win, but Kurt Angle would also take part, making it to the final four of the match. Afterwards, he and Williams would have a staredown, but as best I can tell a match between the two never happened.


Remember when I told you Kurt’s autobiography jumps ahead in time a bit? We rejoin it in October ‘98, as Kurt begins to have an epiphany. “Finally, one night in October 1998, I turned on Raw is War and nobody was being hung on a crucifix or anything. It was great entertainment and more athletic than I ever realised.” I don’t think I have to tell you that this doesn’t match at all with the timeline of his early matches, or the reporting on him, so instead I’ll point out that on the October 5th episode of Raw McMahon got attacked by Steve Austin in the hospital. The week after Austin fills Vince’s brand new Corvette with cement and destroys it. On the 19th Austin held a fake gun to Vince’s head, who pissed himself in the middle of the ring. This is just McMahon and Austin, other messed up stuff was happening up and down these shows as well. Perhaps Kurt caught the October 26th Raw, on which Shane McMahon denounced his father in the ring, but as we established earlier, Kurt doesn;t like sons turning on their fathers in storylines.


To close out 1998, Dave writes in the December 14th issue that Kurt had been training a lot with Steve Williams, who he interacted with in the ring at the NWA 50th show. “They had Steve Williams and Kurt Angle train together and wrestle each other a lot at the last camp. It appears that they are targeting March or April to start Angle off, with a big push, possibly as a heel.” It’s interesting how much of this would remain the case when Kurt would eventually debut later than thought he would here. He did in fact start with a big push, and would be a heel, though a heel who thought he was the face.


In this same issue it’s also reported that Steve Bradley, who had also been attending the training camps around this time, had just been signed to a developmental deal. This feels like a good place to talk a bit about Bradley, as Kurt on his podcast refers to Steve as his “best friend” around this time. Bradley would never make it to the main WWE roster, eventually being released in 2002. His only appearance that I’m aware of on main roster television was at Wrestlemania Seventeen, as a bloke pulled from a golf cart in the Hardcore title match. Steve would pass away in 2008, just thirty-two years old. In his podcast Kurt calls Steve “the greatest wrestler to never make it”, and in 2017 when he was inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame, he made sure to thank Steve, calling him an “unsung hero.”


1999


In the early months of 1999, Kurt would continue to take part in WWE training camps. Dave Meltzer would repeatedly note that Kurt was the highlight, with more familiar names coming and going. In January, Glamour Boy Shane, known to TNA fans as Shane Sewell would join, as well as Rasta the Voodoo Man, who looks like a Papa Shango knock off, but actually predates him. Again, get a look at that trio. In February, former Truth Commission members Luc Poirier and Barry, later known as Bull Buchanan are brought in, as well as Carl Oulette, PCO, long before he ran on car batteries. Many of the names come and go off these lists, but Kurt as noted earlier was a special project, and they wanted him ready for his debut, and the push they had planned.


In Mid February, the Associated Press ran a story with the headline “Olympian Insists He Hasn’t Sold His Soul to WWF.” The article which is now no longer available but is described in the Observer sounds quite derogatory towards wrestling of our kind, referring to it as “fake wrestling,” and suggesting that he will end up with a silly gimmick. I don’t know what you mean. “The story says that amateur wrestling people are troubled by Angle going to WWF claiming that “Angle’s abandonment of his amateur roots probably shouldn’t be a surprise in an era when once-legitimate wrestlers such as Mark Coleman and Dan Severn make their living in fake wrestling or the Ultimate Fighting Championships, a bizarre mix of street fighting and martial arts.” The article also predicts that he will bring his wife into the business, which he eventually did many years later. On the Heat episode that happens in March, Kurt can be seen sitting next to Karen in the crowd long before her TNA debut.


On March 1st, a note was made that Kurt is scheduled to be at a WWE event on March 3rd. “Kurt Angle is going to appear in some form at the Pittsburgh Raw taping. He may not appear on the live show. The Weekend Today show is doing a series on Angle starting out in pro wrestling and they have training footage and indie matches and they wanted a big-time match, so they figured the best place to tape it for the show was Pittsburgh since that’s his home city and he’s got a name locally” This would end up being the Heat appearance where Kurt would best Tiger Ali SIngh, another wrestler who he had already worked with in developmental. I won’t go over the whole segment here as I detailed it in my last video, but Dave said of it in the Observer that “The pop was said to have been disappointing for Angle, said to be the reaction of a mid-level face.” He had previously noted that Kurt wasn’t the same local celebrity as he would have been had he signed in 1996, and this might be why the reaction wasn’t as big as expected.


On March 20th Kurt would make his debut for Memphis based Power Pro Wrestling, defeating the Yellow Jacket, otherwise known as Kevin Lawler, in just twelve seconds. Kurt would wrestle regularly for Power Pro right up until his main roster debut. According to Kurt on his podcast, he requested more in ring time, as the couple of matches he was having a month weren’t helping him get any better. Initially, they started Kurt out by having him beat all of his opponents in thirty seconds or less, which Dave compares to how Dusty Rhodes got Magnum TA over, and more recently how Goldberg started in WCW. Later on Baron Corbin would do a similar gimmick when he started in NXT. Aye, that Baron Corbin who nobody wanted as Angle’s last match. Sorry. It turns out that the real reason for Kurt wrestling these short matches, as claimed by Angle on his podcast, was that Power Pro’s promoter Randy Hales didn’t see much in Kurt, only booking him in opening matches. If this is true, and again it comes from Kurt’s words, Randy clearly wasn’t looking in the right direction. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UI4tlfyMsQ )


In his first few appearances for Power Pro, he very much played an early version of the character he would eventually debut as, but with a bit more babyface self-awareness. In his debut he would cut an impassioned promo talking about the other wrestlers not wanting him in the big leagues, and threatening to show them all up by defeating them as quickly as possible. The following week he would address his brashness from the week before, explaining that his words were so harsh because of the other wrestler’s opinions of him. Kurt Angle here, displaying more character development in his second ever week on television than some wrestlers do in an entire career.


While on his podcast about developmental Kurt says that he had a blast in Memphis. However, in his book he details some issues that it caused back in Pennsylvania. He was newly married to Karen at the time, but living in a small apartment with Steve Bradley, leaving Karen back home. “The Pittsburgh post gazette sent a reporter and a photographer to do a story on my new career. And they took pictures of me at the wrestling arena and at my apartment too. I found out later that they decided not to run any pictures of the apartment complex because they thought it looked like a crack den or something. That’s how bad the place was.” He then notes that the conditions didn’t bother him though. He said that many of the other wrestlers lived in the same complex, and it was all about wrestling for them. It was all they talked about and focused on.


On April 11th, Kurt would start wrestling in WWE rings, defeating Brian Christopher in a dark match he would wrestle on a fairly regular basis in dark matches including one notable match against Owen Hart. Kurt claims in the pod that this was again at his request, wanting to gain more experience on Mondays and Tuesdays while still wrestling in Memphis for the rest of the week. A lot has been made online of Kurt’s match on May 10th ‘99, where he would wrestle Owen Hart less than two weeks before his passing. Kurt said of Owen that he was the first person to make him feel comfortable in his transition to WWE. Of their time in the ring, Kurt says “It turned out to be my best match to that point by far, and it was because Owen was such a pro. He put the match together, how it would go, then he carried me through it, and made it look so easy.” Ever since footage of Bret Hart vs Tom McGee was found, this might well be the Holy Grail of wrestling matches. We’re unlikely to ever see it, as the WWE Vault channel recently reminded us.


As time went on Kurt would receive some mixed reviews for his dark matches. A match he had with Terry Taylor on May 15th was described as “anything but positive”, while his effort against Bob Holly on June 7th had Dave writing that he looked ready for the main shows. Later in June, he worked his first house show tour, defeating Tiger Ali Singh on every show including in Pittsburgh, following up from the Heat appearance. The Observer notes that he was added to the shows because it was a North-East tour which passed through his hometown.


On June 29th, the first reported Olympic Slam, later known as the Angle Slam happens. I’m only mentioning it here because Dave Meltzer describes it as a “a torture rack dropped into a death valley driver which was a totally sick move the few times I’ve seen Kenta Kobashi do it.”  What he’s actually describing is the Burning Hammer, the long protected move of Kobashi, which the Olympic Slam looks like a much safer version of. To be fair, the match took place in Fayetteville North Carolina so Dave’s description is likely based on a fan report sent in to the Observer. Still, leave it to Dave to make what is essentially a spinning samoan drop sound as lethal as a piledriver through eleven tables. Kurt tells us on his podcast that the Olympic Slam wasn’t originally meant to be his finishing move, but when he used it on the main roster dark matches, he was told that he should have been using it all along.


On July 27th, Kurt would defeat JR Smooth for the Power Pro Wrestling championship. You might not recognise that name as I didn’t, but JR Smooth had previously been on the main WWE roster as Fatu and as The Sultan. He would return from development later in the year under perhaps his most famous name, Rikishi. Kurt would say on his podcast that Bruce Prichard would oversee what he was doing in Power Pro, and had to get involved to get Kurt some experience at being higher up the card *pod clip*


In the August 9th Observer, Dave notes that Kurt is now set to debut in October or November, “because they don’t want him exposed nationally before he’s ready.” On August 7th Kurt would lose the Power Pro championship to Steve Bradley, perhaps a sign that they were beginning to wind him up in Memphis, though it would take a little while longer until he would be ready. Speaking of winding up, a several week story that starts on October 18th revolves around Kurt potentially being sent to a promotion called Seikendo for a show in Yokohama on November 5th. This appears to be a response to a company called Dream Stage Entertainment attempting to make a deal with WWE to bring wrestlers to Japan. Dream Stage would eventually be the company behind HUSTLE.


On November 1st, it is mentioned that the deal with Kurt Angle fell through, and the Seikendo card with go on without him. The Observer says that the promotion claimed it was a visa issue, but disputes that a deal was ever finalized. Dave also says the idea that Kurt failed to get a visa was doubtful given that he would have had to do this in his amateur background. Ordinarily I might not have included this story, but how fascinating would it have been if WWE had sent an about to debut Kurt Angle to go and wrestle in Japan. Later in November more talks with Dream Stage would happen, but this would again end up fruitless. “DSE wants WWF to send them someone like Kurt Angle to make a personal appearance at the 11/21 Pride show or send some people to the 1/30 Pride show to basically show the Japanese public they are involved in some form with the WWF to start building interest, although at this point no plans are for anyone to attend the shows yet.”


On November 1st, the first vignette teasing the arrival of Kurt Angle aired on Raw. The Observer says “He was playing such an old style babyface that it looks as though they are planning on setting him up for a quick heel turn when it doesn’t go over.” Dave also made note of him being referred to as “the most celebrated real athlete in WWF history,” which would end up being the line that told us the viewers that he is a little full of himself on his arrival. Kurt says “I’d talk about how all my life I’d gone after this dream, and I reached it, which makes me an American hero - a role model for kids. But right away they were giving me kind of an odd twist. Vince wanted me to rub people the wrong way. He wanted them to say "there's something about this guy, he’s always talking about himself.”” Kurt also tells us here where his trademark catchphrase early in his career, it’s true, it’s true, came from.. “That was something I used to say to people when I was doing motivational speaking after I won the gold medal…. …I’d say that if you put your mind to it, dedicate yourself, you will succeed eventually. And I’d always say “You will. It’s true. It’s true.”


The next week, the full card for the upcoming Survivor Series ‘99 card was published, including the debut of Kurt Angle against Shawn Stasiak. Dave Meltzer suspected that the goal was to “debut Angle against the most boring wrestler in the promotion in a match actually designed to get fans to think Angle is boring to lead to his getting mad at the fans not respecting his talents and going heel”. To be fair to him, he wasn’t that far from what would end up happening that Sunday at Survivor Series.


On Sunday November 14th, the day would finally arrive for Kurt Angle’s debut. He and Shawn Stasiak had a pretty serious wrestling match for the first few minutes, which in the peak of the attitude era was bound to get Kurt booed, but would probably have done him well in 2025. After a few minutes, the crowd began reacting very poorly, even chanting “boring”. “That’s the one chant you never want to hear because it means you’re not entertaining the fans. But Vince had prepared me for this type of reaction and he had given me a plan of attack if it happened.” Kurt would follow this plan, and leave the ring. He would take the microphone and proceed to chastise the audience, telling them “you do not boo an Olympic gold medalist”. He would get back in the ring, and proceed to handily defeat Stasiak. The match was just under six minutes long, but might have been the perfect debut to get across Kurt’s past achievements, his character and how you are supposed to feel about him. Vince gave Kurt the plan to deal with any fan backlash, but what was his reaction? “Vince was waiting for the response, and it was exactly what he wanted.” This might have been made even better by the vignettes that had aired leading up to the night, as it was very clear that Kurt had achieved a lot, but also that he wasn’t shy about it either. As Kurt walked to the ring that night, it felt like the crowd weren’t sure if they were supposed to like him or not, but by the time he pinned Stasiak, everybody knew.


About his debut, Kurt makes one more very interesting assertion about where the inspiration for his character came from. “My character development stemmed from what happened with the Rock a few years earlier… … They thought he was a natural as a babyface, a guy the fans would love. But at the beginning the fans turned on him- they couldn’t identify with him. These fans aren’t idiots. You have to work to gain their acceptance, their approval.” Kurt also acknowledges that the fans in that era were into the rebellious stars, he jokingly notes that he wore plain black trunks while in development to resemble Stone Cold Steve Austin, which is about as close as he could get to emulating Austin, with so much about their personalities being like oil and water.


On the next night, Raw would take place in Pittsburgh, Kurt’s hometown, where he would defeat the Godfather. Despite him being the local hero, he would still get a negative reception from the fans, a testament to how well his debut had gone in making sure everyone knew he was to be booed. “The Kurt Angle character will continue to be built around annoying people by always saying “I” about himself. Even though WWF did have Angle insult Pittsburgh before Raw started to make sure he wasn’t cheered in his home town, everyone was surprised that even before he started talking he was already getting booed.”


After Survivor Series, Kurt would go on to have quite possibly the most remarkable debut year ever. It’s impressive in itself that I’m still able to call it that twenty five years later. He would win the Intercontinental and European titles and defend both successfully. He won the King of the Ring tournament on his first try, and for once, it actually helped that he looked like a geek in the crown and cape. At No Mercy in October, eleven months after his debut, he would defeat the Rock for the WWE championship. None of these things were groundbreaking, or anything that nobody else had ever done, but he was the first to put them all together his rookie year. Kurt would continue to be detested by crowds until the Invasion storyline in 2001. Of all of his three I’s, irritating being the important fourth one, and the key to his success. It’s true, it’s true.



Sources:

It’s True! It’s True!, Kurt Angle, 2001, Collins Willow p159, 167, 171, 170

Tonight Show August 13th 1996 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2315803/ 

WON Sept 9th 96 First pro offers https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/sept-9-1996-wrestling-observer-newsletter-giant-joins-nwo-davey-boy/


1996

WON Sept 16th Meeting with Vince https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/sept-16-1996-wrestling-observer-newsletter-american-pro-wrestling/ 

WON Sept 23rd Nikkan Sports 1999https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/sept-23-1996-wrestling-observer-newsletter-welcome-wcw-1996-fall-brawl/

WON Sept 30th 2000 Olympics https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/sept-30-1996-wrestling-observer-newsletter-wcw-beating-wwf-handily/

PWInsider interview, October 6th 2020, https://411mania.com/wrestling/kurt-angle-shane-douglas-ecw-wwe/ 

WON Nov 11th Raven Apology https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/nov-11-1996-wrestling-observer-newsletter-infamous-angle-where-austin/

WON Nov 25th Not whole reason https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/nov-25-1996-wrestling-observer-newsletter-sid-wins-wwf-title-curt/


1997

WON Mar 17 97 Pittsburgh indie https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/march-17-1997-wrestling-observer-newsletter-dennis-rodman-hired-wcw/


1998

WON August 24th 98 Early training https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/august-24-1998-wrestling-observer-newsletter-warrior-makes-wcw-debut-wo-hof/ 

WON Aug 31st 98 First matches https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/august-31-1998-wrestling-observer-newsletter-death-terry-garvin-look/

WON Sept 7th Early standouts https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/september-7-1998-ric-flair-legal-battle/

WON Sept 14th Kurt signs https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/september-14-1998-jim-duggan-diagnosed/

WON Sept 28th Second training camp https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/september-28-1998-wrestling-observer-newsletter-raw-overtakes-nitro/

WON Nov 16th third camp, high hopes https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/november-16-1998-wrestling-observer-newsletter-more-ventura-winning/

WON Dec 14th Training with Steve Williams https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/dec-14-1998-wrestling-observer-newsletter-2-biographies-works-about/


1999

WON Jan 18th Jan camp https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/january-18-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-giant-baba-retires-ecw/

WON Jan 25th Feb camp https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/january-25-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-shawn-michaels-has/

WON Feb 15th AP article https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/february-15-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-reaction-death-giant/

WON March 1st Will be at Pittsburgh taping on 3rd https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/march-1-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-wcw-ratings-cause-panic/

WON March 8th Heat segment https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/march-8-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-wwf-faces-backlash-being/

WON Apr 5th 30 second gimmick https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/april-5-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-wrestlemania-15-review-espn/

WON Apr 19th Dark match debut https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/april-19-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-davey-boy-smith/

WON May 24th Terry Taylor match https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/may-24-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-ecw-hardcore-heavenwwf-no/ 

WON June 14th Bob Holly match https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/june-14-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-sable-sues-wwf-140000000/ 

WON June 21st First House show tour https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/june-21-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-hart-family-files-lawsuit/ 

WON July 5th First Olympic slam https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/july-5-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-wwf-king-ring-review-njpw/

WON August 9th Set to debut in Nov https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/august-9-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-wwf-goes-public-hall-fame/ 

WON Oct 18th Seikendo 1 https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/october-18-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-death-gorilla-monsoon/

WON Oct 25th Karelin https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/october-25-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-wwf-no-mercy-review/

WON Nov 1st Seikendo falls through https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/november-1-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-mick-foleys/ 

WON Nov 8th First debut tease https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/november-8-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-life-and-death-owen-hart/

WON Nov 15th Debut announced https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/november-15-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-ecw-november-remember/

WON Nov 22nd Debut review and more with DSE https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/november-22-1999-wrestling-observer-newsletter-wwf-survivor-series/



Memphis debut, March 1999 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv41brLK4Ps 

NWA 50th https://www.oocities.org/smokyrobmoore/jp110298.htm 

Power Pro debut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSfVDaPSj84 

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