Why Liberace appeared at Wrestlemania, and more links between him and Wrestling

It’s often been said in books and documentaries that the success of Wrestlemania hinged on it’s use of celebrities to make it feel like no ordinary card at Madison Square Garden. There were some that came from the sports world like Muhammad Ali and Billy Martin, ones you might expect to see involved with wrestling, some and some that were less obvious.


In this video I’m going to get into every involvement I could find of Liberace in wrestling. I know it seems like he’s an odd choice to make a video about when you also have Cyndi Lauper and Muhammad Ali there too, but I’m also working on separate videos about them. The goal is to look for any other involvement they have had in wrestling, and I might do more of these in time.


At the first Wrestlemania on March 31st 1985, Liberace was introduced just before the main event, and announced to be the time keeper for the match pitting Hulk Hogan and Mr. T against Roddy Piper and Paul Orndorff. At the age of sixty five, he would enter the Garden with four of the Rockette’s and would dance around the ring with a big smile on his face. If you’re wondering, I could find absolutely no information on how the Rockette’s were brought in, so don’t worry, there'll be no video on them. On the surface, Liberace might seem like an odd choice, I mean look at this image, one of these is not like the others. Maybe though, there was some method to it.


Earlier in the same week, Liberace would be interviewed on a local news broadcast, and would talk in depth about his love for New York, having performed in Radio City Music Hall many times. He was also no stranger to Madison Square Garden, the site of Wrestlemania, as on May 26th 1954 he would perform there to fifthteen thousand people.


On March 29th, WWF would hold a press conference, where Hogan, Muhammad Ali and Liberace would appear. Liberace was quoted as saying ”If my mother was alive today, she would say, ‘Son, you’re finally a man.’ Because she was a great fan of wrestling.” It turns out that this, combined with his love for New York, may have explained why Liberace was asked, and why he accepted the chance to appear.


Liberace’s involvement with WWF wasn’t limited to just an appearance in the Garden though, as he would appear briefly on the March 30th episode of WWF Championship Wrestling, being interviewed by Mene Gene Okerlund. I say interviewed by, but that’s very generous wording to be honest. This was more of a thirty second TV spot, designed to let you know very quickly that Liberace will be at Wrestlemania, and he is looking forward to it.


Later on that same night, Liberace also appeared on Season ten episode fifthteen of Saturday Night Live, which was hosted by Hulk Hogan and Mr. T, and also included appearances from their opponents Roddy Piper and Paul Orndorff. While he didn’t interact with any of them on the show, only appearing in a talk show sketch with Billy Crystal and Martin Short, he could be seen front and center with Hogan and Mr. T in the Goodnights.


While he might have only made one appearance in a WWF arena, in an Associated Press article that was published days before Wrestlemania, “He recalled that Gorgeous George, a champion of the 1950s, once sent the Liberace family a lavender turkey for Thanksgiving.” George was sometimes considered a pioneer of television wrestling, and his name will come up again a bit later.


As Liberace will likely never come up on this channel again, here are a few more tenuous links I found between him and wrestling. In a 2020 tribute to Mr. Wrestling II following his passing, Dave Meltzer wrote of his wife Olivia Walker, who was notable for having made robes for Ric Flair, as well as other wrestlers such as Dusty Rhodes, Tommy Rich, Paul Orndorff and her husband. Dave also notes that she made clothing for musicians too, naming Dolly Parton, Porter Wagner and Liberace.


As with many other figures in pop culture, Liberace has had wrestlers that took inspiration from him. In 1999, Robbie Kellum, who had previously wrestled under the name Gorgeous George III, the original being a distant relative, would be brought in by WCW. If you're wondering who Gorgeous George two is, the name was given to Stephanie Sellers, the valet of Randy Savage in WCW. Kellum had a few stints in WCW and struggled to find a foothold until given a new Liberace inspired gimmick. Gorgeous George III was given a piano, sparkly ring gear, and the name The Maestro. This was a short lived character, as were many in WCW around the time, with his most notable feud with Earnest Miller, culminating with James Brown appearing at Superbrawl 2000. Unadvertised. WCW 2000.


One last tenuous link isn’t actually to do with the man himself. In April 2010, Deadline reported on WWE acquiring the film rights to a 2008 biography called ‘Gorgeous George: The Outrageous Bad-Boy Wrestler Who Created American Popular Culture’. The article says “A Gorgeous George film was McMahon’s idea, an exception to his unwritten rule not to make pictures about wrestlers. Pavone, (Mike Pavone, head of WWE Studios) said George’s flamboyant persona not only set the tone for future stars like Hulk Hogan and The Rock, but also helped Bob Dylan come out of his shell and influenced the likes of Muhammad Ali, James Brown, and Liberace.” While both Muhmmad Ali and James Brown had said in the past that they took inspiration from George and other wrestlers, as far as I can tell Liberace didn’t ever say such a thing publicly.


So there sia ll I could find of Liberace’s involvement in the world of pro wrestling. One last thing I found of note was an interesting quote that was published in the March 26th 2001 edition of Figure Four Weekly. Bryan Alvarez wrote that a main event level WWE star had been interviewed by Mancow, no I don't know either, and bemoaned the use of celebrities in wrestling. “He said the company didn’t need to use celebrities at WrestleMania anymore because the wrestlers were the big stars now. He said he didn’t think Liberace sold one extra PPV buy, except maybe to Pat Patterson.” This quote came from Triple H, who probably changed his tune recently when he saw IShowSpeed’s guts being turned inside out go viral.


Sources:

Associated Press article March 29th 1985, Liberace quote

Mr. Wresting II Tribute, Dave Meltzer, June 15th 2020: https://members.f4wonline.com/tributes/mr-wrestling-ii-tribute/

Gorgeous George Film:
https://deadline.com/2010/04/wwe-films-pic-flurry-culminates-in-gorgeous-george-wrestler-biopic-35862/

A History of Wrestling at the Theater in Madison Square Garden.

 

Madison Square Garden. After all these years still the worlds most famous arena, mainly because all the others change their names. Looking at you Crypto arena, you’re still the Staples center to me. This video isn’t about MSG though, it’s about the Theatre underneath it. Formerly known as Felt Forum and the Paramount Theater, the place has had it’s current name for nearly thirty years. It has hosted legendary boxers, comedians, and yes, the Wiggles, but more importantly, it has hosted a fair bit of wrestling over the years.

On March 11th 2025 NXT Roadblock was presented from the venue under the worlds most famous arena, and it would mark the first time a full WWE broadcast had been aired from there. Did you know though, that WWE had run a match in the venue once before? And did you also know that other promotions had run in it too?

In this video, we’ll look at every wrestling show that ever occurred in the Theatre at Madison Square Garden. We’ll look at the circumstances around each event, and what happened on each night.

Before I get into actual shows held in the venue, it’s worth noting that wrestling fans would fill Felt Forum back in the 1970’s and 80’s, as fans who couldn’t get into the WWF cards could watch in there on closed circuit. Felt Forum’s capacity for this was around five thousand, meaning that MSG’s attendance was technically even higher than often reported. This video is more concerned with actual events that took place in there, but it’s still worth noting. The first time a live wrestling show took place in the venue was in the Paramount Theater days, and it might not be who you would expect.

April 14th 1993 WCW

https://www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=54390


On April 14th 1993, WCW would run the Paramount Theater. This might well have been the first time a live wrestling card was presented in the MSG theater, and it was also WCW’s first ever event in New York City, the home base of their biggest rival. In 1989, still under the NWA banner, the company would run house shows in Rochester, Troy, Syracuse and Buffalo. The first time they televised an event from the state was Clash of the Champions 9, New York Knock Out in Troy later that year. Until April 1993, the closest they had come to Madison Square Garden was the Meadowlands, then known as the Brendan Byrne arena, just a few miles away, in East Rutherford, New Jersey.

At the time the Wrestling Observer Newsletter reported that the show was considered a complete disaster by fans in attendance, and by staff behind the scenes. Firstly, Ric Flair who had been scheduled to make a non-wrestling appearance was not at the show, as the plane he was flying in from Charlotte on had engine problems. This resulted in chants throughout the night of “we want Flair”, but WCW was unable to fix this. Dave even notes that the show was compared negatively to that years recent Wrestlemania 9, and that’s saying something.

In another interesting note from the week before;’s issue, Rick Rude had appeared on Howard Stern on April 9th to try and promote the event. I say try, as Rick barely got a word in as Stern cracked jokes at Fred the Elephant Boy. The Observer also noted that WCW had far from sold out the venue, drawing two thousand nine hundred paid, just over half of what the venue could hold. In the following week’s issue, this number was corrected to just two thousand three hundred, moving it to less than half.

As far as the card, reports were that the best match of the night, Ron Simmons versus Chris Benoit was stopped abruptly a minute in, for which nobody knew the reason. In the main event, Sting defeated WCW World champion Vader by DQ, when his manager Harley Race interfered. According to the Observer, this “only added to the feeling of being ripped off by the high ($25, $19, $11) ticket prices.” Bloody hell, try getting into a WWE show for that now. WCW would return to the Paramount Theater a few years later, right before one of their biggest moments in history, but we’ll get back to that soon. The next show at the venue might be a surprising one though.


July 27th 1994 AAA/ICW

https://www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=75048

On July 27th 1994, Triple A of all companies ran in the Paramount Theater. Not only did they outsell WCW the year earlier, but they did so by hundreds of fans, with two thousand eight hundred paid reported initially. Dave notes in the Observer that the number may have ended up higher than this, with more fans piling in throughout the night to make the place feel like a sellout by the end. The event was part of a two show tour, with Triple A also running the Rosemont Horizon in Chicago the night before. While both shows were money losers for the promotion, the tickets were priced at between twenty five and fifty dollars, and so made for an impressive looking gate figure.

As early as May, Dave Meltzer had referred to the events, which were promoted as Triple A IWC shows as a “gamble”. He says “While both New York and Chicago have large spanish speaking populations, this is the first time AAA/IWC will have attempted shows outside of the Southwest and in markets where there is no past history of successful Lucha Libre style shows.” Triple A had run in California a fair bit, but as Dave also said the week earlier, “venturing outside of California for Lucha Libre is definitely a major dice roll.”

While many Triple A stars that US fans would come to know in later years were on the card, such as Konnan, Psicosis and La Parka, there were a fair few Americans too. Diamond Dallas Page, Too Cold Scorpio were on both nights, and in the main event, Jake Robers teamed with Eddie Guerrero and Art Barr. While Jake had wrestled for Triple A a few times in the year earlier in California and Mexico, and Scorpio would wrestle for them after the New York and Chicago shows, these would be DDP’s only matches for the promotion.

Going into the show, it was also announced that Pedro Morales would be honored on the night. The Puerto Rican Morales had been WWWF champion from 1971 to 73, and had sold out Madison Square Garden throughout that time.


June 30th 1996 - One week before Bash at the Beach 96

https://www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=44938

On June 30th 1996 WCW would return to the Paramount Theater, this time with a familiar face to the New York fans on the card. No, not Hulk Hogan but more on him in a minute. The semi-main event on the night, Randy Savage versus Ric Flair, a very clever main event to put on given that they had faced off at Wrestlemania 8 a few years earlier, was refereed by Bruno Sammartino, famed seller outer of Madison Square Garden. Pedro Morales also appeared, accompanying Konnan to the ring. Overall this show could be considered a far greater success than the last, as three thousand five hundred paid were reportedly there according to the New York State Athletic commission, much improved over last time.

Reports that came in to the Observer after the event were generally positive, however one wrestler on the card didn’t receive too warm a welcome. United States champion Konnan would defend his title against Kevin Sullivan, but would be heckled throughout the match by the crowd, who were chanting things such as “You still suck,” “ECW,” and “Sandman kicked your ass.” These chants are referring to Konnan’s brief time in ECW, where on his first and last nights in the promotion he would lose to the Sandman for the ECW World title. This poor reception would cause Konnan to go on a profanity laden rant. “Konnan after swearing at the fans, which drew him a lot of heat among WCW officials, said that ECW was in a bingo hall and WCW was where the big boys played and they were drawing 5,000 people. Sullivan quickly got the mic away from him and basically did an apology saying that those weren’t the opinions of WCW and that WCW wasn’t feel that way and then said some politically very nice things about being a fan of ECW.” At Bash at the Beach a week later, Konnan would lose the US title to Ric Flair. Whether this was planned already or a punishment for what happened we might never know, but it’s surely not the thing anyone remembers from Bash at the Beach 1996.

I said before that I would get back to Hulk Hogan, well one week after this event would take place, Bash at the Beach 1996 would happen, where he would do a John Cena as I’m now calling it, and turn on the Hulkamaniacs, forming the New World Order. Neither Hall, Nash or Hogan were on the show, but who knew that a week later the three would make history?


30th August 1998 Summerslam 1998 - Lion's Den match

Remember that one WWE match I hinted at in the intro? It happened at Summerslam 1998 on August 30th 1998. While the rest of the card, headlined by Stone Cold Steve Austin defending the WWF title against the Undertaker took place in the main MSG arena, one match did take place in the theater. Half way through the night, Ken Shamrock would do battle with his rival Owen Hart in a brand new kind of match, as they would step into the Lions Den.

At Fully Loaded a month earlier, the two had a fight in the infamous Hart Family Dungeon, where Owen would cheat to win by using a dumbell. For the rematch, they would battle in a cage that was more suited to Shamrock, clearly inspired heavily by the UFC Octagon.

In an interview with James Romero in 2022, Ken Shamrock said that he had input in the design of the cage, including the slanted walls, which according to him allowed he and his opponents to work with them similar to ring ropes, like how Owen jumps off the wall in the Summerslam ‘98 match. In later versions of the match, weapons were hung from the top of it, and Ken also says that was his idea. One other thing Shamrock adds is that the walkway along the top was thought of as something for a wrestler to jump off, though this would never happen in any of the Lion’s Den matches.

In the August 10th Observer, Dave would lay out the tentative plans for the match. “They have booked the 4,500-seat Theater in Madison Square Garden (formerly known as the Paramount Theater and before that the Felt Forum) and will set up a fighting structure similar to a UFC octagon and the Shamrock-Hart match will take place there with all tickets $18 and they’ll probably also do a live angle in that building, and they’ll air the rest of the show on closed-circuit from next door.” In another interesting part, Dave notes that “WWF asked UFC for use of the octagon for the match but even though UFC and WWF have been on good terms, as WWF has given UFC plugs on TV for its PPV events and UFC has allowed WWF use of all Shamrock and Severn footage, UFC felt it would be compromising the product if the octagon structure was used in a worked match.”

Perhaps the reason that WWE hasn’t attempted anything quite like this since lies in the numbers from the night, as fifthteen thousand paying fans were reportedly in the main arena, while the Theatre didn’t do so well. While with the Lion’s Den cage in there, the venue was set up for four and a half thousand fans, only two and a half thousand attended, of which eighteen hundred had bought tickets. While WWF likely wasn’t hurting for money following the night thanks to it’s high ticket sales in the arena, two hundred grand in merchandise sales and seven hundred thousand buys on pay per view, as the Observer notes, “Considering the hype for this show and the state of the business, that theater figure just exemplifies, even more so than the Nitro attempt in Philadelphia some months back, that closed-circuit is dead.”

Despite the UFC aesthetic, Hart and Shamrock had a very pro wrestling feeling match in the MMA setting. I don’t know what they used for the flooring of the cage, but the bumps taken in the match sounded pretty gnarly. Former UFC heavyweight champion Dan Severn would refuse to throw in the towel for Owen Hart, allowing Shamrock the win, which would lead to a submission match between Severn and Hart in the following month.

The Lion’s Den would return a few more times, often lurking in the corner of the arena, much like mud pits, graves and other gimmicks had for other matches, and would not be seen again after Ken Shamrock left WWF a year later. Now that WWE and UFC are both under the same corporate overlords, who knows if the Lions Den could someday make a comeback? I do, it’s not likely.


November 16th 2016 NXT House show

https://www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=164496


For the next show, we jump eighteen years ahead. On November 16th 2016 NXT black and gold, the name retroactively given to the super indie days of the brand, presented a live event from the Theatre at MSG, which was reported to have had three thousand fans in attendance. That number sounds massive for what is a developmental brand, but NXT was becoming a very strong at this time, even touring internationally and holding WWE Network specials outside of their regular home at Full Sail University.

I did say at the start that some of these stories weren’t exactly going to be revelations, well the most newsworthy thing that was reported about this NXT event, were some special guests in the crowd. Shane McMahon, his kids and former member of the Mean Street Posse, Pete Gas were all in attendance, and they would even take part a little bit, dancing with No Way Jose following his win over Roderick Strong. That’s right, No Way Jose was a thing, and he beat a former Ring of Honor World Champion. Later in the night it would also be noted that Johnny Gargano would dive out of the ring, nearly landing in Shane’s lap. Well that is one way to get noticed but it might not get you onto the main roster.

The show was headlined by a six man tag team match, in which NXT Champion Shinsuke Nakamura and DIY would defeat Samoa Joe and the NXT tag team champions, the Revival, now known as FTR. Shinsuke would pin Dash Wilder after hitting a kinshasa, just a few days before NXT Takeover Toronto, where Samoa Joe would defeat him for the NXT title. Joe and Nakamura had been trading the championship back and forth for much of 2016, and would continue to into the new year. Shinsuke had originally won it from Joe at Takeover Brooklyn 2 in August, but Joe would take it back in November. Nakamura would win the title back in December in Osaka Japan, and would end the feud by retaining it in a steel cage match in Melbourne Australia one week later, though this would air in January 2017.

Speaking of Takeover Toronto, DIY would also win the NXT tag team championships from the Revival. This match would rank number one in a top twenty five list of wwe.com’s top matches of 2016. These were truly interesting times for NXT, when they had a mixture of guys they wanted to build themselves, mixing with top international indie talent.


September 15th 2019 AAA Lucha Invades NY

https://www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=228061

For the final entry in this video, Triple A would return to the former Paramount Theater twenty five years after their first time there. This would be the only show on this list to take place during the brief time that it was known as the Hulu Theater, though it was originally supposed to take place inside Madison Square Garden itself. The story of this is long and complicated in itself, as Triple A had been trying to get an event in the Garden since the year earlier. WWE had long had a stranglehold on running MSG, but in June 2018, Mike Johnson of PWInsider reported that “the Garden had been reaching out to other wrestling companies as WWE has not been running at the venue consistently, choosing instead to run the Barclays Center in Brooklyn. WWE is running all of their Wrestlemania 35 week events at Barclays, which has been in a promotional war with MSG over touring acts since the Brooklyn venue opened in 2012.” This may well have led to Ring of Honor and new Japan being able to run in the Garden in April 2019.

In the August 26th Observer, Dave reports that the show was officially moved to the Hulu Theater, citing low ticket sales and very poor advertising. PWInsider reported that the decision was “quietly made two weeks earlier after AAA executives met with Garden executives.” Dave adds that at this point they had two thousand tickets sold, so these could likely be transferred over to the smaller venue. Another problem the show faced was the promotion not being able to get work visa’s, which Dave blamed in the Trump administration. “It’s been hard for Japan, but because of Trump’s presidency, it’s ten times worse for those from Mexico. We were told that visas used to take maybe a month, but there are some visas that have taken eight months and they still haven’t been approved.”

On September 15th 2019, Lucha Invades New York would take place, co-promoted with Impact Wrestling. The link with Impact came about only a couple of weeks before the event, as the September 9th Observer notes that Triple A didn’t have a license to promote in New York, but Impact did as they had run there before. At that time, the only match announced that included Impact talent was Taya Valkyrie versus Tessa Blanchard, and possibly due to them coming to help out, more Impact names would be added to the show. Josh Alexander, Sami Callihan and Michael Elgin all represented Impact in a six man tag against Triple A stars, while a couple of other matches would feature regulars for both promotions, as Taya Valkyrie would defeat Tessa Blanchard for the Reina de Reinas championship, while the Lucha Bros would defend the Triple A World tag team titles against Santana and Ortiz.

Looking at the card, even with the Impact wrestlers on it, one name noticeably stands out. Former two time UFC heavyweight champion Cain Velasquez. I should probably warn you here that I'm not well versed in lucha libre, so apologies if I butcher any names here. Cain was taking part in his second professional match, his first being a month earlier at Triplemania twenty seven, a match that also had Cody Rhodes in it. On this night at the Hulu Theater he would team up with Brian Cage, who was an Impact talent at the time, to face El Texano Jr, Rey Escorpion and Taurus, now known as AEW’s Beast Mortos.

Not long after this event, Cain would sign what was reported by major outlets to be a “multi Year deal” with WWE, and later that month, he would have his one and only televised match for the promotion, a two minute clash loss to his former UFC rival, Brock Lesnar in Saudi Arabia. As of me making this video, this would be his one and only singles match of his pro wrestling career. He would wrestle one more match at a house show in Mexico City, before being released on April 28th 2020 as a cost cutting measure during the pandemic, along with a slew of other wrestlers.

Aside from all of the issues I mentioned earlier, there were more woes for Triple A after the show. Lucha Invades New York had been available as both in i-pay per view on Fite, and on traditional pay per view, the numbers for the latter being terrible. In the Observer, Dave reported that “In more than one market with a high percentage of Hispanics, there were 0 buys, as in not a low number, but zero. Based on actual numbers we have, it would indicate less than 60 buys nationwide and even that may be high because the early market actually included heavy Hispanic markets. There must have been some iPPV numbers, but our response level was very low.” In the same newsletter Dave noted that the show would air for free on AXS tv, where Impact also aired.

So that brings us to the present day, and NXT Roadblock. While the event had begun in 2016 as a WWE Network special on the road to Wrestlemania, since 2022 the name had been used for a special televised episode of NXT. This year's iteration was first announced on February 11th, exactly one month before, and was booked into the Theatre to tie in the Raw on the previous night coming from the Garden. NXT has run some really interesting venues over the last year, like the former ECW arena and long may it continue, as it gives these shows a very special look and feel to them. WWE made the place look so stunning, it makes me wonder why they haven’t run the venue more.

As of the afternoon of the show according to Wrestle Tix on X, they had distributed over four thousand seven hundred tickets, with just fifty eight remaining based on the setup they had. The venue was displaying a big “Sold out” sign outside, and as far as I can tell, NXT Roadblock may have been the first show to achieve this. If all of the numbers I have quoted through this video are accurate, that makes this the most successful wrestling show to ever come from the Theatre at Madison Square Garden.

That doesn’t feel too unbelievable though, with WWE riding high these days, breaking some kind of record seemingly everywhere they go. The card for Roadblock was absolutely stacked too, with the Hardy’s defending their TNA tag team titles, as well as a match for the NXT championship, and a title for title match between two of WWE’s biggest acquisitions of last year who seemed to be on a collision course. NXT hasn’t just out sold their own last effort in 2016, they have outsold every other wrestling show the venue ever held, and I bet the LFG legends think they did it too. Except for Mickie James, she seems cool.


Sources:

Wrestling Observer April 26th 1993 WCW show 1 report https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/april-26-1993-observer-newsletter-disastrous-wcw-show-msg-kerry-von/

Wrestling Observer April 19th 1993 Howard Stern https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/april-19-1993-observer-newsletter-von-erich-death-fallout-hogan-title/

Howard Stern April 9th 1993 - Rick Rude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2veZNPsm3A

Wrestling Observer August 1st 1994 AAA report: https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/august-1-1994-observer-newsletter-mcmahon-titan-not-guilty-92761/

Handheld AAA New York Footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlmuOz5jY1U

Wrestling Observer July 4th 1994: AAA ticket prices https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/july-4-1994-observer-newsletter-jury-selection-mcmahon-trial-horrible/

Wrestling Observer June 20th 1994 Pedro Morales note https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/june-20-1994-observer-newsletter-wcw-debuts-hulk-hogan-wwf-debuts-fake/

Wrestling Observer May 9th 1994, AAA show is a gamble https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/may-9-1994-observer-newsletter-charles-austin-receives-gigantic/

Wrestling Observer July 8th 1996 - WCW return and Konnan story https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/july-8-1996-wrestling-observer-newsletter-warriorwwe-relationship/

Wrestling Observer July 15th 1996 WCW 2 attendance https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/july-15-1996-wrestling-observer-newsletter-bash-beach-1996-recap-ufc/

Wrestling Observer August 10th 1998 Lions Den https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/august-10-1998-wrestling-observer-newsletter-96877/

Wrestling Observer September 7th 1998 Summerslam 1998 report

https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/september-7-1998-ric-flair-legal-battle/

Ken Shamrock on the Lion's Den Cage - WSI November 18th 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_tLK3BBs8o

Wrestling Observer November 23rd 2016 NXT show recap: https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/november-28-2016-wrestling-observer-newsletter-wwe-survivor-series/

WWE.com’s top matches 25 of 2016: https://www.wwe.com/article/top-25-matches-of-2016

PWInsider June 22nd 2018 MSG upset with WWE https://www.pwinsider.com/article/118328/does-aaa-still-have-dates-at-madison-square-garden.html?p=1

PWInsider August 16th 2019 Show moved to Hulu Theater: https://www.pwinsider.com/article/128831/aaa-nyc-return-moved-from-madison-square-garden.html?p=1

Wrestling Observer August 19th 2019 Visa issues https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/august-19-2019-observer-newsletter-summerslam-and-g1-finals-reviews/

Wrestling Observer August 26th 2019 AAA moved from MSG: https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/august-26-2019-observer-newsletter-birth-wednesday-night-war-more/

Wrestling Observer September 9th 2019 Impact involvement https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/september-9-2019-observer-newsletter-aew-all-out-review-chris-jericho/

Wrestling Observer September 23rd 2019 AAA show report https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/september-23-2019-observer-newsletter-nxt-debut-usa-clash-champions/

ESPN reporting Cain’s WWE signing: https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/27822250/cain-velasquez-signs-multiyear-deal-wwe-tyson-fury-appear



Wrestle Tix on X from March 11th 2025: https://x.com/WrestleTix/status/1899598476377272563

The Creation of Evolve Wrestling: Gabe's Exodus

 

Coming soon to Tubi and YouTube internationally, WWE is set to launch it’s fourth weekly show, sort of, known as Evolve, but that name has a long history out on the indies. Over it’s ten years as an independent promotion, Evolve hosted many talents who would become future stars all over wrestling, with many of those becoming champions. Evolve may have been sold to WWE in 2020, but it’s beginnings were as indie as they could be, by which I mean in born out of a desire to stick it to ex-employers, allegedly. In this video, We’ll look at the events that led to Evolve. We’ll follow the timeline from it’s creation to the first event, as well as the wrestlers who were involved from the start, and how show one went. You might also hear from the company’s founder himself, if it gets past the YouTube copyright overlords.


Evolve’s story begins with it’s founder Gabe Sapolsky leaving Ring of Honor, where he had served as it’s booker from the start of the promotion to October 2008. According to the Wrestling Observer months afterwards, Cary Silkin, who had owned Ring of Honor since 2004, “fired Sapolsky on 10/25 in Edison, NJ, although it was largely because Silken wanted to take the company in another direction, feeling the product wasn’t drawing a mainstream audience. The argument was whether any significant audience of that type could be drawn without television, which the company didn’t have at the time.” His firing occurred at the event titled ‘Ring of Homicide 2’, a not at all daunting title for a new fan. Gabe’s last show was not a particularly stand out one, apart from the second of two return matches for the former World champion, who brought his LAX tag team partner Hernandez with him for a match with the Briscoes.


During Gabe’s time as booker, having cut his teeth working under Paul Heyman in ECW, he had gained a reputation for being an exceptional creative mind behind the promotion, earning several best booker awards and contributing to the rise of stars like CM Punk, Bryan Danielson, Samoa Joe and many more, but there was an argument of whether or not Gabe’s ROH could draw more eyes to it, or would it be stuck at the level it had gotten to? Following his absence, Ring of Honor would change it’s product, toning down the heavy emphasis on workrate, and it’s darker storylines like their emo group the Age of the Fall. These changes occurred under it’s new booker Adam Pearce now of WWE, who would help the move into television with Ring of Honor on HDNet. Gabe would later admit that he had begun feeling burnout in his role at ROH, so despite his stellar reputation, it may have worked out well for him.


In April 2009 Gabe’s new venture was made known, Dragon Gate USA. The project was announced by Japanese promotion Dragon Gate officially on April 15th, and the plan at the time to do six-ish shows per year, with Gabe at the helm. It was also announced that Dragon Gate intended to send over eight of their top Japanese wrestlers per show, and the rest of the card would be filled out with domestic talent. “The goal is to draw 400 to 600 fans per event, based on the idea that Dragon Gate itself has become well known enough in the U.S. to draw that level of a niche audience.” This announcement was in a way, a kick in the teeth for ROH, as they had previously had a good relationship with Dragon Gate, especially over Wrestlemania Weekend, which as Dave Meltzer noted in the Observer when covering the announcement were some of ROH’s most profitable and sought after shows each year. The most notable being Supercard of Honor 2006, which occurred on March 31st 2006 in Chicago Ridge, Illinois on the same weekend as Wrestlemania 22. That event featured a Dragon Gate showcase six man tag between Do Fixer and Blood Generation, six relatively unknown wrestlers at the time in the US, who would achieve a five star match for ROH, their third behind Samoa Joe vs CM Punk and Samoa Joe vs Kenta Kobashi. The dissolution of this relationship was a big deal for ROH at the time, and Dragon Gate looking to use a similar business model to ROH seemed like a bit of an underhanded move. The Observer reported at the time that “The concept is similar to ROH at the beginning, where they will look at DVD sales as a primary revenue stream. The annual shows with the Dragon Gate wrestlers were always among the best selling DVDs each year for ROH.”


Days before this announcement, CIMA of Dragon Gate, one of the six from that five star match, had taken to his Myspace page to explain why there had been no Dragon Gate presence on the recent ROH Wrestlemania weekend events, claiming that it came down to ROH not living up to financial agreements. Whether this is true or a way or breaking the relationship to start their own US presence, the timing of CIMA saying this and Dragon Gate’s announcement is interesting.


There’s a lot more to Dragon Gate USA which is more relevant for it’s own video, but it’s formation played a big part in the founding of Evolve. In the early days DGUSA used US talent that weren’t necessarily ROH made stars. The first card featured the Young Bucks largely through their Pro Wrestling Guerrilla links, and their friendship with CIMA. An eight man tag team match filled with Chikara talent also occurred, as the card took place in Philadelphia, where Chikara was based.


By November, Dragon Gate was set to put on their third pay per view, Freedom Fight 2009. Just before that though, the first inklings of Evolve were reported in Figure Four Daily by Bryan Alvarez. *clip 1* (Bryan reported that Gabe Sapolsky, as well as Full Impact Pro founder Sal Hamaoui and Davey Richards were leading the promotion, and no other details were available. “There was literally no other info about the group at press time, although there were all sorts of rumors about what kind of style the group would feature, etc. All I can say is that everyone involved is being very tight-lipped by design, so anything that comes out that wasn’t reported on their official site is probably premature.”) The inclusion of Davey Richards was interesting, as he was not only a fixture of Ring of Honor at that point, but he was even one half of their tag team champions with Eddie Edwards as the American Wolves, and had been for most of 2009. He had worked for FIP throughout the year though, and had wrestled one match for DGUSA, and would work for Dragon Gate proper in December as well. On November 12th, Bryan would speculate more, and report on the rule that singles wrestlers and tag team wrestlers would compete in separate divisions, and seemingly never the twain would meet. *clip 2*


A few days later the Wrestling Observer would provide a little more info. Dave speculated that the promotion will follow the Dragon Gate USA model of DVD releases and several pay per views a year, and as far as the style of the promotion, “All Sapolsky has said is that they are going to work around each individual talent’s strengths and weaknesses, and regards to rumors it would be a shoot style promotion, he said that there isn’t enough talent to pull that direction off.” The next information was revealed in the November 17th Figure Four, when it was reported that TJ Perkins, Bobby Fish and Ricochet were set to join. It’s also noted that Davey Richards is not an owner of the company, “though that information came from Sapolsky originally so I would guess he just doesn’t want to be seen as one of those guys who is a worker and also a company owner.” In a rather weird note, Alvarez adds that “They’re saying that all competitors must “follow the inherent rules of sportsmanship and ethics that govern all sports,” which includes no biting the ears off dudes, no killing referees, etc.” It almost feels like it doesn’t need saying, but what he is getting at is the suspension and fines system that would be put in place from show one as a way of addressing rule breaking after the events.


In the following week, we finally get information about Evolve's first show. In the November 23rd Observer, Dave writes that “They are going to put more emphasis on wins and losses, and the web site already lists the wrestlers signed with won-loss records (they are all 0-0 to start with obviously). The debut show will be 1/16 in Rahway, NJ at the Rec Center, which is also the home base of Jersey All Pro Wrestling.” it’s also about ten miles from where Gabe got fired from ROH, coincidence? Probably. In another curious note, “They also are going to do a sports-like theme, as they showed videos of a football brawl, the Gilbert Yvel hitting the ref and the Mike Tyson ear-biting incident and noted that incidents like that would lead to suspensions.” It seemed that going in, Evolve's unique selling point was going to be “rules!”


It was though, a little more than that. On Evolve’s website, they would post the following mission statement. “Evolve is an attitude. Evolve is not a particular in ring style. It is not an age group. It is not strictly defined. Evolve has no limitations. It has no restrictions. It has no boundaries. Evolve is the ability to look into nothingness and instead of seeing nothing to recognise infinite potential and absolute possibilities. Evolve is the desire to be something greater than what we’ve become.” Aye, okay. Another feature of the Evolve website was it’s message board, which Gabe no doubt would have hoped would be a key part of his promotion’s online presence, much like the Ring of Honor’s message board was at the time.The one last notable thing I found on the archived version of the Evolve website is a contact form to report piracy anonymously for a free gift as a reward. I bet that got used a ton.


Around this time Evolve was also posting on it’s YouTube channel, on which some of the content still exists today. There are several short videos with some very 2009 editing, announcing roster members Davey Richards, Aeroform and Kota Ibushi. There was also a series of more cryptic videos featuring a man in shoes you’d expect Zoolander to wear, walking down a corridor. Briefly on the screen would flash an email address, abstract wrestler @gmail.com, and the number 161, referencing the Age of the Fall stable in Ring of Honor, whose code name before debuting in a similarly cryptic way was Project 161. These ended up revealing the debut of Jimmy Jacobs, who had many interesting storylines in Gabe’s time in ROH, and would also join Dragon Gate USA in January 23rd 2010, one week after Evolve’s first show.


The next note came from the December 1st Figure Four, and it's the announcement of Davey Richards facing Kota Ibushi in the debut main event. The December 9th Observer adds more roster members, including Brad Allen, Arik Cannon, Kyle O’Reilly, and the Dark City Fight Club, the latter also getting a video on Evolve’s YouTube channel. He added that we should expect new additions from Chikara, as well as the Jeff Peterson Memorial Cup, a tournament that had existed since 2003, but that year had been booked by Gabe, who quote, “said that there was a lot of undiscovered talent on those shows.” An early video on Evolve’s YouTube channel has footage from the event, referring to it as “the precursor to Evolve”.


Speaking of Kyle O’Reilly, in the previous week’s Observer Dave had written that he and Adam Cole, who were both young in their careers at the time, had worked the pre-show of the November 28th Dragon Gate USA show, and may have turned some heads. He said of them “O’Reilly is a protege of Davey Richards and Cole is a CZW wrestler. Nobody knew the two guys, but they got over great and will probably both end as a regulars with the Evolve promotion. (sic)”H The two would eventually arrive in Ring of Honor around the same time and team up as Future Shock, a team that I had totally forgotten about until making this video. Upon the breaking up for that team, the two would have a brutal hybrid rules match at Best in the World 2012, a match in which Cole would lose some of his teeth, and they would even go on to wrestle each other in the Tokyo Dome. Sorry for going off on a tangent, but I felt it was worth remembering.


More roster additions were announced as of the December 15th Figure Four, as a Chikara six man tag had been booked, adding Mike Quackenbush, Hallowicked, Jigsaw, Gran Akuma, Icarus and Brodie Lee to the card. As well Chuck Taylor and Cheech in a singles match, and TJP’s opponent was announced to be Munenori Siwa, making one his first US appearances. Chuck Taylor being in the singles division was an interesting choice, as in Chikara he teamed regularly with Akuma and Icasus as FIST, which stood for Friends in Similar Tights. It’s interesting given how the rules stated you could only be a singles or tag wrestler, and clearly Gabe wanted Chuck in the singles division.


In this same newsletter, Alvarez notes that Gabe Sapolsky had written in a blog that Bryan Danielson is the one who came up with the name Evolve, which is the first time I could find his name attached in any way. In the December 30th Observer, Dave explains Danielson’s involvement a bit more. “The Evolve name was actually the idea of Bryan Danielson, who e-mailed it to Sapolsky while on a tour of Japan. Danielson was originally planned to be the top star of the promotion, and he was originally going to announce the forming of the promotion at a Dragon Gate USA show, but before it happened, he signed with WWE.” Danielson at this point had wrestled one match for Dragon Gate USA, against Naruki Doi in September 2009. In his brief time away from WWE he would wrestle three more matches, including ones against SHINGO, later known as Shingo Takagi, and Jon Moxley, his seemingly last ever opponent at the time of me making this video.


In one final bizarre note before the first Evolve show, in the January 12th Figure Four Weekly, Bryan Alvarez reported that “will include an “Extreme Surprise” and they’re teasing that “INNOVATION WILL EVOLVE.” In other words, Tommy Dreamer is coming in.” Truly one of these is not like the others.


Before I get to Evolve’s first show, let’s hear from Gabe himself. On January 13th, just days before Evolve 1, Gabe was interviewed by Alvarez on Figure Four Daily. He talked in great depth about his thought process changing a little while after leaving ROH, and how that led to Evolve *clip 3* He then gave an interesting explanation for the heavy emphasis on rules and the enforcement of them, something he calls “the inherent rules of sportsmanship.” *clip 4*


On January 16th 2010, Evolve would finally hold it’s debut show, in front of an estimated 350 to 400 fans. In Bryan Alvarez’s report, he notes that “They also took a bunch of concepts out of MMA, but the matches were still indy-style pro-wrestling matches and not fake MMA a la UWFi.” He’s referring to the presentation of the show, in which every wrestler in each match would walk out to the same generic music, and each would be announced with their record, which was obviously 0-0. Post match they conducted interviews, ala Joe Rogan in the UFC Octagon. Alvarez reported that “There were mixed reviews on the first show, with some saying it was an interesting concept and others saying it just didn’t work and they wouldn’t go back”, but he also noted that Gabe was happy with how things played out, noting that they had laid the groundwork for things down the road. Final additions to the roster included the team of Aeroform, Flip Kendrick and Louis Lyndon, Mercedes Matrinez who defeated Niya, Silas Young who lost to Brad Allen, and Ken Doane who lost to Jimmy Jacobs, who also had a dispute with yes, Tommy Dreamer. Filling out the card was Johnny Gargano, who beat Chris Dickinson. As far as the card itself, Bryan noted that “many of the matches lasted under 10 minutes, a big departure from a lot of the stuff Gabe has booked in the past.” This didn’t apply to Davey Richards and Kota Ibushi in the main event though, which was described as an awesome match that went twenty.


On the show to push future roster additions, Brad Allen also made a challenge to Chris Hero for their next show in March. Hero’s team mate at the time in the King’s of Wrestling Claudio Castagnoli would also join for the second show, as would Adam Cole and Jon Moxley for the third. As rosters go for a new promotion, that’s a pretty impressive one, especially when you consider how many of them would go on to big things in the future. For the fourth and fifth shows, Bryan Danielson would wrestle, having been briefly released by WWE for the infamous neck tie incident when Nexus debuted on Raw. Looking at that roster, there are many, many future world champions for many different promotions.


Over time, Evolve would drop many of the MMA and other sports like aspects of their presentation, though the style would continue to be similar to what Gabe had booked in Ring of Honor. Many more talents would pass through Evolve on their way to greater success, and WWE has been reminding us of this on their way to Evolve coming back in their image. The new version hasn’t aired as of me making this, but it looks to be a new platform for new and aspiring talents to showcase themselves, and hopefully for them, one that gets more attention than Level Up did. And hopefully for us, Bully Ray isn’t anywhere near it in his Tough Enough Hardcore Holly role.


Sources:

Evolve YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@EvolveWrestling

DGUSA: https://www.youtube.com/@WWNLive/videos

Wrestling Observer April 20th 2009, DGUSA announcement https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/april-20-2009-observer-newsletter-draft-details-mania-business/

Supercard of Honor 2006 Dragon Gate six man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeKPZpA2fWQ&t=1s

Figure Four November 10th 2009 Evolve rumour https://members.f4wonline.com/newsletters/figure-four-weekly/nov-10-2009-figure-four-weekly-strikeforce-cbs-dixies-weird-meeting-stalking/

Wrestling Observer November 16th 2009 Evolve announcement https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/nov-16-2009-observer-newsletter-strikeforce-cbs-ufc-war-wwe-biz-great/

Figure Four November 17th 2009 Roster notes: https://members.f4wonline.com/newsletters/figure-four-weekly/nov-17-2009-figure-four-weekly-brocks-future-ufc-105-great-tna-ppv-shane-meets/

Wrestling Observer November 23rd 2009 First show info: https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/nov-23-2009-observer-newsletter-exclusive-lesnar-scoops-ufc-105-live/

Evolve mission statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20100309110313/http://www.evolvewrestling.com/

Evolve Roster March 9th 2010: https://web.archive.org/web/20100309110313/http://www.evolvewrestling.com/

Figure Four December 1st main event announcement https://members.f4wonline.com/newsletters/figure-four-weekly/dec-1-2009-figure-four-weekly-business-and-ppv-breakdown-rey-update-dgusa/

Wrestling Observer December 9th roster additions https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/dec-9-2009-observer-newsletter-kameda-does-gigantic-rating-masa-saito/

Jeff Peterson Memorial Cup footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4Z9qPCeRUs&t=4s

Wrestling Observer December 7th Cole and O’Reilly note https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/dec-7-2009-observer-newsletter-wrestlemania-biz-war-machine-rampage/

Figure Four December 15th, more matches and Danielson note https://members.f4wonline.com/newsletters/figure-four-weekly/dec-15-figure-four-weekly-tlc-ppv-3-hour-raw-ufc-107-lucha-year-end-showssheamus/

Wrestling Observer December 30th 2009 Bryan Danielson explained https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/dec-30-2009-observer-newsletter-ufc-vs-illegal-streams-roh-final/

Figure Four January 12th 2010 Tommy Dreamer note https://members.f4wonline.com/newsletters/figure-four-weekly/jan-12-2009-figure-four-weekly-faber-vs-aldo-possible-monday-night-war-2-raw-vs/


Figure Four January 19th Show one report https://members.f4wonline.com/newsletters/figure-four-weekly/jan-19-figure-four-weekly-ufc-sells-10-russohogan-week-2-genesis-recap-lesnar/

The history of 'Whatever' by Our Lady Peace: Can the band reclaim the song?

 

There are many examples of famous songs no longer being played by the bands that made them popular. Paramore notably stopped playing Misery Business, arguably their biggest hit in 2018, eleven years after it’s release, because of a line that was considered degrading. Read into that a different word that YouTube says I can’t use in my intro. In 2022, the band reneged on this and re-added it to the setlist, but what about when an artist brings back a song that has been tarnished for reasons out of their control?




On February 19th 2025, Canadian band Our Lady Peace began their 30th anniversary tour in Calgary, and they played Whatever for the first time since September 2003. The song was used as the entrance theme for Chris Benoit, a name I usually try to avoid using on this channel, unless when historically relevant. The replaying of the song has brought about some mixed feelings from fans, so in this video, I want to briefly explore the song’s history, why some might feel it is too closely linked to WWE, and whether or not the band can reclaim the song as their own. To look at the comments under videos of the song, it seems like lots of fans of both WWE and the band are happy to hear it again, as if the song actually went away, but I also want to take a look at why fans might feel differently.




On March 26th 2002, WWE released Forceable Entry, their latest CD of entrance themes. Whatever was included on this disc before it was used on WWE television. The album also included many songs that had been heard on WWE TV, such as Steve Austin’s theme “Glass Shatters” by Disturbed, as well as “Rollin” by Limp Bizkit, which was used by The Undertaker. It also included songs that hadn’t yet but would soon be used, like “Across the Nation”, the Raw theme that wouldn’t debut until the following month, and Whatever, by Our Lady Peace for Benoit, who at the time was out of action following a serious neck injury. When he returned on the May 27th 2002 episode of Raw, he did so with Whatever playing for the first time.




Speaking to the Edmonton Journal in February 2025, Singer for the band Raine Maida teased that the song was coming back, though it didn’t make headlines until it had actually been performed. He said “We’re playing Whatever, which we did for WWE and it’s kind of got a terrible (Chris Benoit) story attached.” As Maida says, the song was originally recorded for WWE. It also includes the same very distinctive riff as Benoit’s previous music made by WWE’s long time composer Jim Johnston. Jim has varying credits on twelve of the eighteen songs on Forceable Entry, from “remix” on Marilyn Manson’s “The Beautiful People” to match the version used of the song that WWE used on Smackdown, to writing credits on other songs, to a co-”music” credit on Whatever. There are other songs where Jim has no credit at all, but he does on Whatever, implying that it was a WWE song in some part. In a 2021 interview with the RRBG podcast, Johnston explained why music is so important to a wrestler from his perspective. He described entrance music as “a score to that character so every time people hear it, they feel that character. It’s not just thinking about it, they feel that character and what that character is about.”




There are other songs on the WWE album that I couldn’t find evidence of a live performance of, like “End of Everything” by Stereomud, used for Raven, or “The Game” by Drowning Pool, which only seem to have had one live playing, and that was a poor rendition at Wrestlemania 18. With all of this in consideration, it’s easy to see why WWE fans might cringe a bit at hearing the song live again, but why might the band feel differently about it?




Our Lady Peace had been playing Whatever at concerts since May 2001. and according to stats on Setlist.fm, they played the song live at least twenty eight times before it was ever used by WWE, or before Forceable Entry came out. They stopped playing it in 2003, for which I can’t find a reason, so it may have just fallen out of the setlist, replaced by newer songs. Going back to the credits on Forceable Entry, Maida is acknowledged as the song’s writer, while members of the band as well as Jim Johnston are credited for the music. From here it’s already easy to see how the band might feel ownership of it. When they brought it back this weekend, Maida told the audience in attendance “We recorded it and ended up on this kinda big soundtrack”, clearly not wanting to draw the link right away. He goes on to say “Things happen in your life and they can own you or you can own them, we decided to take back ownership of this song because it is our song. It has to do with mental health, and that’s how we’re taking control.” The song’s lyrics never really struck me that way, and the repeated line “I’m not driven by fear, I’m just driven by anger” doesn;t help in separating it from what happened. Following the song, as Maida said they would, the screens showed information for the Suicide Crisis Helpline. A very noble thing to do, but not likely to distance the song from it’s troubled past. Whatever isn’t specifically about Benoit, but showing what he did, those lyrics can take a meaning that the writer clearly couldn’t have meant them to.




It seems that to some fans, Our Lady Peace quite unfairly might never shake the association with Benoit. In 2022, when the band’s song “Run” was announced as the theme for the first Clash at the Castle event, discussion about Benoit came back up. If anything, I wish more fans talked about their song “not enough”, which was used in an excellent video package about Jeff Hardy, including his famous ladder match with Undertaker in 2002. That match, Jim Ross’ call of “climb the ladder kid, make yourself famous”, and Not Enough by Our Lady Peace all stuck with me, much like Jim Johnston was talking about in the quote I referenced earlier.




Before I ask for your opinion, here’s mine. “Cult of Personality” was first used by CM Punk in Ring of Honor in 2005, and since July 2011 it has been his regular entrance theme in WWE, in UFC but we’re not going there, then AEW, then back in WWE. The song was released first in 1988, seventeen years before Punk started using it. There will be some fans who first heard it on WWE programming, but then there will also be some who first heard it in Grand Theft Auto San Andreas in 2004 as I probably did, or from no other media in particular. When I hear Cult of Personality, I don’t necessarily think of CM Punk. When I hear Whatever though, I only think of Benoit, and that’s the distinction. On the other hand, I know very little about Our Lady Peace, and so would I feel differently if I was a fan of theirs?




As a kid at the time, I first learned that Chris Benoit had passed when the regularly scheduled episode of Raw was scrapped, and in it’s place a tribute show aired. Throughout Tuesday I listened to that song, only knowing that Benoit was gone, not yet knowing the details of what had actually happened. It was only when I got home from school and got online that I learned what that man had done, and I’ve rarely if ever heard Whatever since, but that’s just my experience of the song. As I understand it from comments I’ve read, fans of the band may not even know it from wrestling, as it’s a relatively deep cut in their back catalogue, never appearing on any Our Lady Peace album. Perhaps the band is hoping that enough time has passed, that newer fans won’t have the same connection to it that early 2000’s WWE fans like me do? In playing it now for newer fans the context will be removed, initially at least, until a bunch of wrestling fans start making noise about it. It’ll only take a curious Our Lady Peace fan not very long to do a quick google search and after this weekend, to find out exactly why. For this reason, I can’t see it ever escaping it’s quote “troubled past”. From looking at the comments on the subject, there does seem to be a lot of people who still love the song and can separate it from Benoit. If that's you, more power to you though, but it brings back too many thoughts about that day when I found out what had happened.




I’d love to hear your thoughts on any of this, so please let me know in the comments. While this will likely be one of those stories that makes headlines right now but will be forgotten next week, it interested me because of the vastly differing opinions on social media.




Sources:

Paramore - https://metro.co.uk/2018/09/10/paramore-will-no-longer-perform-misery-business-live-due-to-its-slut-shaming-lyrics-7930104/

Maida Interview, February 2025 - https://edmontonjournal.com/entertainment/music/our-lady-peace-raine-maida-interview-edmonton-concert-tour

Jim Johnston interview - https://411mania.com/wrestling/jim-johnston-explains-why-he-doesnt-like-wrestlers-using-mainstream-music/

Live playing info - https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/our-lady-peace-63d6eeb3.html?songid=4bd7ff6e

Forceable Entry Credits - https://www.discogs.com/release/2815539-Various-WWF-Forceable-Entry?srsltid=AfmBOoqCETJ9EtBYgequFOm9AGTeXBZvbSdrFol05AfvFPl4BkCitCwY

‘Whatever performance’ Suicide Crisis Line after performance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQeL-vA14VA

Clash 2022 - https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/news-chris-benoit-trends-twitter-latest-wwe-clash-castle-announcement

Sabu's WCW Timeline: What happened and what went wrong?

He’s ___, he’s ___, he’s ___. All words YouTube frown upon so this is going well. Joking aside, there are very few wrestlers who have quite the legacy that Sabu has. From taping up insane wounds and continuing with matches, to an equally wild life out of the ring, to nowadays a very edgy twitter follow,


At the time of me writing this Sabu is set to have his last ever match, ending his career, which began forty years ago. Just think about that for a second, this man here began wrestling forty years ago, His last match is set to be against Joey Janella for Game Changer Wrestling over Wrestlemania weekend. Set to be, but who actually knows when Sabu’s last match will be.


Sabu is one of those wrestlers who looks like he was tailor made for ECW, and with that in mind, I wanted to take a look at a weird time in his career. In this video, we’ll look at why he left ECW. How he joined WCW, as well as his entire run there, and what happened next.


Sabu would arrive in ECW on October 1st 1993, wrestling Taz who was also making his debut. Earlier that year though he had wrestled a dark match for WCW, facing Mad Max Anthony. Later in October ‘93 he would also wrestle a few dark matches for WWE, including a match with Scott Taylor, the Future Scotty too Hotty before a Raw taping. He had also had a brief run in USWA in 1992 working as Samu, against the likes of Jeff Jarrett, Brian Christopher, and a man he trained with called Rob Zakowski, better known as Rob Van Dam.


By early 1995, Sabu had already won the ECW Heavyweight title, television and tag team championships. He had already accomplished everything there was to do in ECW at the time, and was taking bookings elsewhere. In December ‘94 he had begun working for New Japan Pro Wrestling, and was beginning to work there regularly. Trouble would come in April though, when Sabu accidentally double booked himself between ECW and New Japan, and chose to skip Hayman’s booking. As a result, at ECW Three Way Dance on April 8th, Paul Heyman would come to the ring and publicly fire Sabu.


Sabu’s firing from ECW would end up being one of the top main stories in the Wrestling Observer that week. In the April 17th issue, Dave Meltzer might have uncovered the reason why Paul Heyman was so upset about Sabu missing the booking. The event that Sabu missed was called Three Way Dance, and it was built around a three team match for the tag team championships, with Sabu and Taz, facing Chris Benoit and Dean Malenko, as well as the Public Enemy. Dave wrote that “Heyman had been wanting to put together the three-way since Christmas but a botched angle at one show combined with schedule conflicts combined with wanting to build to it correctly kept pushing the match back. The date was added for 4/8 because it was the only possible date to at that point assure that all six would be available.” He adds that “Paul Heyman said they gave Sabu the 4/8 date on 3/20”, while “New Japan reportedly gave Sabu the 4/8 date on 3/21”, so the ECW booking had come in a day earlier, but you could argue that the Japan booking may have been more important to Sabu, as according to him, the bookings were to lead to an event on May 3rd, where he would win the IWGP Junior Heavyweight title match from Koji Kanemoto.


It seems though, that there was a little more to Sabu choosing New Japan, as he seemed to be unhappy with ECWs trademark style. “He also admitted he’s been unhappy with the current direction of ECW, in particular undercard wrestlers using juice and chairs and brawling all over the building feeling it detracts from when the main eventers do the same thing, and also other wrestlers putting wrestlers through tables which he felt was his personal gimmick.”


When speculating about where Sabu might land when he returned to the US, Dave said in his story that “It’s expected that Sabu will start working in the tri-state area for rival promoter Dennis Coraluzzo.” This wasn't helped any by Paul Heyman's speech that he gave to the crowd at Three Way Dance. During Sabu’s next few months in New Japan, he would indeed as planned win the junior heavyweight title from Kanemoto, at Wrestling Dontaku. The next month he would make his only successful defence against Black Tiger, this version being Eddie Guerrero under the mask. Two days later, he would lose the title back to Kanemoto. Sabu would continue to work regularly for New Japan for the rest of 1995, but never for them again. In ‘96 he would return to FMW who he had worked for previously, and would also wrestle for BJW and All Japan.



You might be wondering then how and why Sabu ended up joining WCW. The answer put a briefly as possible is Nitro. In the July 31st Wrestling Observer, we get our first report of WCW wanting fresh new talent ahead of their upcoming new live show. “There is a lot of sentiment to putting on one classic match for 20:00 every week involving guys like Sabu, Eddy Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Al Snow, Brian Pillman, etc., particularly on the heels of the Bret Hart-Hakushi match on Raw.” While some of these names were said to have been made offers, Dave notes that regarding Sabu “interest has been expressed.” In the following weeks issue these acquisitions seem even less likely. Having originally reported that they had made an offer to Al Snow, Dave corrects the record by saying that they told him that he would receive an offer, but he never did, and so he joined WWE instead. Negotiations with Eddie Guerrero had also stalled, though he would end up joining WCW in August. From the talent’s side, it seems that there wasn’t much trust in WCW to do much with them. “There has been concern expressed by several of the names above that WCW has been unable to get anyone over, the (sic) Benoit’s treatment when he was in WCW along with the treatment of Brian Pillman and Steve Austin, who have been with the company for years and are two of the three or four best workers in the company, seemingly have had their careers go nowhere.”


By a couple of weeks later, it seemed that WCW had been able to secure the services of Sabu, along with Benoit, Guerrero and Dean Malenko, a sort of extreme radicals if you will. It appears that WCW did this by allowing all flour to continue to work with New Japan as well as US indies, though the trade off is that they could not work any dates for WWE, Smokey Mountain or ECW. In the same issue, Dave expresses concern about how Sabu might be able to work once he gets to WCW. “There is no indication of just how much leeway WCW will allow Sabu with his gimmick. Sabu is one of the most spectacular high spot performers in the world, but as the early mat portions of his New Japan matches show, he is not in the league with the other three as far as being a complete performer. ECW hid that by generally using him in situations that emphasized his strengths and camouflaged his weaknesses.” We will get a pretty good answer to that when we get to his WCW matches. The same issue notes that at that point Sabu vs Alex Wright was part of the rumoured card for the second episode of Nitro, which would end up being correct.


On August 22nd ‘95 Sabu would work his first night for World Championship Wrestling, at a taping for WCW Prime in Anderson South Carolina. Sabu would wrestle three matches on the night, as as far as I can tell only one of them would air on television, and I’ll talk about that one when we get to it airing in the timeline. The other two matches were against Chris Kanyon, who himself had only just joined WCW in June, with one being a DQ loss and the other result not being listed. According to the September 4th Observer “Sabu did three matches, two against Chris Kanyon, none of which will air on television but will be used to put together a video to promote his “debut” on the 9/11 Nitro show.” “Jimmy Hart was said to be impressed with Sabu’s willingness to put his body on the line and that’s probably the key person in the organization to impress for a new wrestler.” Can you imagine someone like Jimmy Hart being a fan of Sabu? Maybe show him Born to be Wired please, I’d pay to see his reaction.


In the August 28th Observer, Dave writes “At this point, all he’s agreed to do is work that show and the 9/11 Nitro match with Alex Wright. Most likely he would also work the Detroit Halloween Havoc PPV show with The Sheik as his manager.” He also writes that Sabu and Paul Heyman had apparently made up, and Paul had promised Sabu that if he were to spurn WCW’s offer, he would build ECW around him. “Sabu has apparently told people that Paul Heyman has told him he’d build the company around him and make him the star of his proposed PPV show(s) if he spurned WCW and returned. Heyman said that he and Sabu had reached a secret agreement for a surprise return several weeks ago, before any of the WCW talk began.” it’s not clear though is Sabu joining WCW had any affect on this peacemaking.


On September 11th ‘95, Sabu wrestles his first match on Nitro from Miami Florida. In the opening match of the night he faced Das Wunderkind Alex Wright. The two waste no time at all as the camera can’t even catch up with them early on, while Eric Bischoff on commentary notes that Sabu’s Uncle is the Original Sheik. From the opening bell it takes all of twenty eight seconds before Sabu send Wright to the outside. There is an audible gasp from the crowd as Sabu picks up a chair, but he uses it as a springboard, to miss Wright and launch himself Poetry in Motion style into the guard rail. The two spend the vast majority of the match on the outside, with Alex Wright doing some impressive flying himself. After a victory roll from the top rope, Sabu gets the pinfall victory, but post match he continues attacking Alex. He sends him to the outside, and brings out a table, which back then would have been far less common than we see them used today. In a rather dangerous looking fashion, Sabu long darts himself off the top rope, and he and Wright crash through the table. This causes referee Nick Patrick to reverse the decision, so Wright would win by Disqualification. Speaking in a January 2025 interview with Wrestling Life Online, Alex Wright said of his match with Sabu that he was pretty intimidated at the thought of wrestling him. “I was a little bit nervous because he’s a really crazy guy, but when I actually got to meet him and talk to him he was a really nice guy, and from that moment I said oh no, it’s going to be fine.” Frankly, who could blame Alex for not knowing what he might get before he met Sabu?


The next time Sabu would be seen by WCW fans was the September 25th edition of WCW Prime, which was the match taped in August. Sabu faces Harry New Baker, a wrestler whose name brings up absolutely nothing if you google him, except a famous dentist. On his way to the ring, Dusty Rhodes on commentary calls him “the warrior of the 90’s”, and given the way wrestling on television changed in that decade in part due to the influence of ECW, you could make a case for that. They show early on that Harry doesn’t know what to make of Sabu, as he struggles to do much more than evade Sabu diving at him, and is taken down quickly. While we see Sabu do more holds that we are used to, he still hits many of his springboard dives. He even rather impressively manages to head scissors Harry over the top rope. Sabu hits the Arabian press, which was a moonsault springing off the top rope similar to Rob Van Dam’s split legged moonsault. Perhaps expecting Sabu to vault over onto the apron, the camera almost misses Sabu bouncing back into the ring. They never quite get the hang of this, as the camera would nearly miss the move in every Sabu match going forward, granted that’s not many more chances.


In the September 25th Observer, Dave tells of the plans for Sabu’s pay per view debut, Halloween Havoc. The event was set to take place in Detroit, where his Uncle famously wrestled and then promoted. “Sabu’s opponent on the 10/29 Detroit PPV show will be Jerry Lynn. The attempt to get Too Cold Scorpio, which wasn’t dead as of this past week, is considered dead now. WCW also attempted to get Bobo Brazil to be in whomever’s corner since Brazil and The Sheik (who will be in Sabu’s corner) had probably the biggest feud ever in Detroit. Brazil, who needs a walker to walk, turned WCW down saying he’s retired from the wrestling business. Sabu is working on severe back and shoulder injuries.” In the same newsletter Dave notes that Alex Wright vs Sabu was scheduled for the October 2nd Nitro, though this would not take place. He also adds that Sabu’s next match after that was set to be against future ECW World Champion Jerry Lynn on October 9th, and this match would take place, but not with the Jerry Lynn you might know from ECW. Sabu would face Mr. JL, a short lived Power Rangers inspired gimmick.


Before we get to that, there’s an interesting note in the October 2nd Observer which relates to the meeting between Sabu and Eric Bischoff, which took place on the night of Sabu’s Nitro debut. “The big joke going around is that when Eric Bischoff met Sabu at the Miami tapings, he brought up having grown up in Detroit and watched his uncle wrestle, and then talked about seeing his uncle lose the title to Hulk Hogan (confusing The Sheik with Iron Sheik). The reason he miscalled Sabu’s finisher as the Arabian press is because Sabu told Bischoff the finisher would be the Arabian press, however Nick Patrick counted three on a move that wasn’t supposed to be the finish.” In the same newsletter, Dave adds an interesting note that conveys that Sabu might not have been too happy in New Japan at this time. “Sabu wants to bring The Sheik’s old Detroit U.S. title (which Sheik used to bring to FMW as recently as a few years ago to feud with Onita over) and claim it and feud with Sting over the rightful U.S. champ in November. Sabu is attempting to do anything to break him out of the junior heavyweight typecast and limitations in money and push that label brings.”


Further compounding any negative feelings between Sabu and Heyman, At the ECW show on October 6th, the show opened with Heyman addressing the crowd again, as he did when he fired Sabu. “At this point, a chant of “Sabu” began, reportedly not as a knock on Heyman but just because the situation reminded people of his famous Sabu speech. Heyman said that Sabu was welcome back but that instead on the 28th he was wrestling for the opposition (Dennis Coraluzzo’s show in Woodbury, NJ) because he was mad that Raven, Steve Richards and the Pit Bulls broke so many tables in their match on the previous show.” The tables explanation is clearly Paul keeping his storylines intact, as Sabu had in the past in kayfabe gotten mad at other wrestlers for using tables, considering them his to be thing.

Unfortunately for Sabu though, by this time fans were starting to lose faith in WCW too, as this fan written letter shows that was published in the Observer.


On October 9th ‘95, on the sixth episode of Nitro from Rosemont Illinois, Sabu would have his match with Mr. JL. At nearly four and a half minutes, this would be by quite a way, the longest match Sabu would have in WCW. Before I get to the match, this is completely pointless but during Mr. JL’s entrance there was a Justin RRRRRoberts sighting in the crowd. What follows is a really fun cruiserweight match, with lots of flying around from both wrestlers. One thing that caught my eye though was that every time Sabu would point to the sky as he did in all of his matches, the referee would look up to see what he was pointing at. Every time he did this. Countering a dive from JL into a powerbomb, Sabu would apply the camel clutch and win the match. Post match Sabu throws JL to the apron, and nearly botches a sunset flip powerbomb to the outside. The referee prevents him from doing any more damage as we cut back to the announcers. According to the October 16th Observer though, Sabu used a table and the cameras didn’t catch it, and when we cut back to the ring, Sting and Lex Luger were in for an interview.


The next time that Sabu would appear on WCW television would be quite possibly his first ever match on pay per view. At Halloween Havoc 1995 from Detroit Michigan, Sabu would face Mr. JL again, only this time he would be accompanied by his Uncle. As soon as Sabu slides into the ring, knowing that he usually goes on the attack, JL beats him to it. Once again, within seconds the two are fighting on the outside. As Sabu flies towards the entranceway with an asai moonsault, the Sheik who is standing right behind Lynn didn’t know it was coming, and both Sabu and Lynn crash into him. In a 2023 interview with Title Match Wrestling, Sabu would explain that the Sheik, who already needed a cane to walk, suffered a broken leg from that moonsault. According to Sabu, he would never get the surgery to get it fixed. “He had a hip replacement, so I didn’t break his leg, I broke his hip replacement. He’d had it done twice but he would have had to have it a third time but he died before that.” This match feels not as well planned as the first one, as the two seem to be tethered to this particular corner of the ring for several moves in a row. Sabu gets the win in just a couple of minutes, and post match the Sheik throws a fireball that the cameras almost miss completely. Speaking in a 2024 interview, Jerry Lynn confirmed that Sabu had not told the Sheik about the moonsault, so he had no idea it was coming. On the fireball at the end, Lynn said “after the match was done I didn’t even know, I’m laying there by the ropes and all of a sudden I feel all this heat and see a bright flash go across my face, and at first I didn’t realise what it was.” Lynn goes on to explain that backstage Kevin Sullivan was furious, but Lynn hadn’t known about it beforehand, or that the Sheik had been told not to do it. Given that this was the Sheik’s last public appearance on US soil, with his last being a retirement ceremony organised by FMW, Jerry Lynn became the last person to take a fireball from the Original Sheik.


On the day before Halloween Havoc, Sabu had his northeastern return for the Dennis Corraluzo promoted show, where he wrestled a twenty seven minute match with Devon Storm, who would go on to be Crowbar in WCW. According to the Observer, “Sabu and Devon Storm (Chris Ward) must have torn the house down at the NWA show on 10/28 in Woodbury, NJ before 625 fans. We received more calls about this match than any indie match in recent memory, with nobody rating it less than ****1/2 and most giving it ***** with many long-time area indie fans saying it was the best match they’d ever seen live.” Dave also adds that Sabu had talked with Paul Heyman the day before, though not about returning to ECW anytime soon.


Sabu would have just one more match on Nitro, and that would take place on the next night in Dayton Ohio. He would face Disco Inferno, though a much more interesting match had been planned. The November 13th Observer tells us that “There were a lot of complaints around town in the local newspapers and radio about the WCW Nitro taping on 10/30 in Dayton as five of the seven scheduled matches didn’t take place. Sabu was scheduled to wrestle Eddy Guerrero with Sheik in his corner, but it never took place with Guerrero instead replacing Randy Savage and wrestling Craig Pittman, and Sabu, without Sheik, replaced injured Johnny B. Badd against Disco Inferno.” After another two minute match where Sabu hits some of his dives, he surprisingly pins Disco with a somersault leg drop over the ropes. After the match Sabu lays Disco out on a table, and dives over the ropes, missing Disco, but the table does not break. Disco Inferno manages to get away before we cut back to the announcers, and the last we see of Sabu in WCW is him throwing the stairs around in a fit of anger.


On November 18th 1995, ECW presented November to Remember. After the first match of the night, Paul Heyman would get in the ring, and promise the fans a surprise. The lights would go out in the ECW arena, and when they came back on Sabu was standing in the ring, and would hug Paul Heyman. Later on in the semi main event of the night, Sabu would wrestle Hack Myers, defeating him in a twelve minute match, longer than almost all of his WCW screen time combined. While the ECW fans were very happy on this night, it seems that WCW might not have been, as they did not know that Sabu had taken the booking until it happened. “WCW had been upset with Sabu for numerous reasons, such as him brawling out of the ring more than they wanted him to and going longer than scheduled in some television matches.” Pardon me for injecting an opinion here, but I have to draw a bit more attention to this quote. Firstly they were mad as Sabu for brawling outside the ring too much. It’s entirely possible that Eric Bischoff didn’t know what he was getting, from what was reported he only met Sabu on the day he showed up at Nitro, and had done a taping already by that point, but surely someone should have known what Sabu does in his matches. Then there’s the matches going too long. All except the Mr. JL Nitro match are under four minutes, so how short exactly did they want them to be. It’s also a far cry from the twenty minute workrate matches they originally wanted to sign new talent for before the nitro premiere.


According to Sabu himself, he found out that he had been fired by watching the November 20th episode of Nitro, and hearing a tease for their hotline regarding a star that had been released. He then called the hotline only to hear Mike Tenay reporting on his firing. Dave also notes that Sabu was still being advertised for upcoming matches on the upcoming World War 3 pay per view, as well as a match with Eddie Guerrero on the December 11th Nitro.


From the time Sabu joined WCW, many in the Observer’s letter pages feared that he would be penned in with the other cruiserweights, and that very likely might have happened had he stayed. In both WCW and New Japan, Sabu expressed a desire not to be considered a lightweight worker, for fear that he would become a perennial midcarder. Throughout the time that this video has covered, Sabu had also been working in AAA, and was seen there as a top heel for the promotion, so Sabu saw no reason that he couldn't be a top star elsewhere. After returning to ECW, he would become the World champion again, as well as tag team champion twice with Rob Van Dam, and unofficially the FTW champion, which was Taz’s own property rather than a sanctioned title. He would go on to have an extensive career, wrestling anywhere and everywhere. He would even have a run in WWE, including a bizarre match with John Cena which nearly twenty years later doesn’t feel like it should have been a thing at all. Sabu is truly one of a kind, and frankly should be remembered more, as one of wrestling’s greatest loose cannons.




Sources:

93 House Show: https://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=271&page=4&year=1993&promotion=2

Early ECW https://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=271&page=4&year=1993&promotion=3

WCW Run https://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=271&page=4&year=1995&promotion=2

Wrestling Observer April 17th 1995 - Sabu ECW firing main story https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/april-17-1995-observer-newsletter-wrestlemania-tanks-ufc-v-full-report/

Wrestling Observer July 31st 1995 - First mention of Sabu and WCW https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/july-31-1995-observer-newsletter-hase-wins-japanese-election-wwe-your/

Wrestling Observer August 7th 1995 - negotiations failing https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/august-7-1995-wrestling-observer-newsletter-ricky-morton-fired-two/

Wrestling Observer August 21st 1995 - New signing Sabu, Benoit, Eddie and Malenko ahead of Nitro https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/august-21-1995-wrestling-observer-newsletter-many-signees-new-monday/

Wrestling Observer September 4th 1995 WCW Prime taping report https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/sept-4-1995-wrestling-observer-newsletter-downfall-uwfi-and-working/

Wrestling Observer August 28th WCW plans and Heyman reunion https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/aug-28-1995-wrestling-observer-newsletter-monday-night-wars-about/

Alex Wright on Sabu in 2025: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urxUvUMLy7U

Sabu vs Harry New Baker, WCW Prime September 25th 1995 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uptISRrLz1A

Wrestling Observer September 25th 1995 Halloween Havoc plans https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/sept-25-1995-wrestling-observer-newsletter-tons-details-lex-luger-jump/

Wrestling Observer October 2nd 1995 - Bischoff joke and NJPW note https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/oct-2-1995-wrestling-observer-newsletter-major-changes-ufc-coming/

Wrestling Observer October 9th 1995 No return to ECW and WCW not looking good https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/oct-9-1995-wrestling-observer-newsletter-bill-watts-wwe-moment-more/

Wrestling Observer October 16th 1995 Missed table and Paul addresses ECW fans again https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/oct-16-1995-wrestling-observer-newsletter-muto-beats-takada-warrior/

Sabu on the Sheik’s broken leg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4UH0kXzn8Q

Wrestling Observer November 6th 1995 NWA show note https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/nov-6-1995-observer-newsletter-halloween-havoc-95-wwe-buyrate-plunge/

Wrestling Observer November 13th 1995 - Advertised matches not happening https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/nov-13-1995-wrestling-observer-newsletter-monday-night-wars-continue/

Jerry Lynn on the fireball https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0kfCDB2xikWrestling Observer November 27th 1995 Sabu’s ECW return https://members.f4wonline.com/wrestling-observer-newsletter/nov-27-1995-wrestling-observer-newsletter-laura-brevetti-investigation/